Posted on 03/22/2014 1:35:03 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
>>>1 Peter 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.<<<
The notion that Babylon represents Rome was made up out of thin air. There is no evidence of that connection, whatsoever; and there is certainly no evidence Peter wrote his epistle from Rome. In fact, there is not a whisper about Peter ever being in Rome. If you know of any, it would be much appreciated if you present it.
Peter and James appeared to spend their time in Jerusalem until the end; and there are some who believe they were the two witnesses who were killed in Jerusalem. If they were, it answers a lot of questions about the two witnesses.
Anyway, I will continue to believe that Peter wrote his epistle from "Babylon the Great," which was Jerusalem, until I see some evidence to the contrary.
Philip
>>>No. Supercessionism is sick.<<<
Explain yourself.
>>>“Babylon the Great” represents “worldly” culture that has rejected the true God for materialism, affluence and comfort. It is not a literal single city, but any place with an idolatrous materialistic character and worldview.<<<
Where does it say that?
Philip
>>>Babylon is symbolic of Man’s effort to replace or overthrow God.<<<
Where does it say that?
>>>Jerusalem? No. Why? Because God has a special place for Jerusalem, not based on it’s or it’s inhabitant’s behavior.<<<
Is that why it was completely destroyed and leveled in 70 AD, to the point that soldiers plowed salt into the soil? The word desolate took on a new meaning after the destruction of Jerusalem and the accompanying slaughter and starvation that killed over 1.1 million people. It doesn’t sound so special to me.
New Jerusalem, on the other hand, now that sounds special.
>>>Once God makes a promise, it’s done.<<<
What was that promise?
Philip
>> “Was “Babylon The Great” a Symbolic Name for Jerusalem?” <<
.
No, definitely not.
“That Great city called Sodom and Egypt, wherein our Savior was crucified...” (Rev 11)
Babylon is the Biblical name of Satan’s global system, that he has nurtured since Cain was cast out to the wilderness.
.
The catholic church is the ecclesiastical branch of Mystery Babylon. (there are two separate operational branches to Babylon, as pointed out by Alexander Hislop; that is why Isaiah prophesied “Mystery Babylon is fallen is fallen.” There will be two separate falls, centered on two separate cities.)
.
>>>Babylon is the Biblical name of Satan’s global system, that he has nurtured since Cain was cast out to the wilderness.<<<
Where can that be found in the scriptures?
>>>The catholic church is the ecclesiastical branch of Mystery Babylon. (there are two separate operational branches to Babylon, as pointed out by Alexander Hislop; that is why Isaiah prophesied “Mystery Babylon is fallen is fallen.” There will be two separate falls, centered on two separate cities.)<<<
When did the catholic church kill all the prophets?
Philip
>>>Catholic apologist Karl Keating confirms that Rome was known as Babylon and cites 1 Peter:5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.. 1 The Catholic Encyclopedia states, “It is within the city of Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of Vatican State proper is now confined.” [The Catholic Encyclopedia ( Thomas Nelson, 1976), under the heading, “Rome.”]<<<
When did the catholic church kill all the prophets?
Philip
>> “Babylon the Great” represents “worldly” culture that has rejected the true God for materialism, affluence and comfort. <<
.
No, it is more than that. It is Satan’s web of control of all Earthly endeavor, secular, and ecclesiastical.
.
Considering that Peter specifically calls out the Hebrew settlements of the area that was then known as Babylon as the intended recipients of the epistle, I suspect that was where he was when he wrote it.
.
>> “When did the catholic church kill all the prophets?” <<
.
The catholic church slaughtered all the real followers of Yeshua, and all the Jews, that they could find, from the fourth through fifteenth centuries.
.
The description of Babylon in The Revelation is easily recognized as the Vatican, and the British royal family.
.
And who sits “as a queen” in Jerusalem?
.
.
Sure, because by that time Judaism was no longer the true religion (post Pentecost). Anyway, the form of Judaism still extant by that time was hopelessly corrupt anyway. That’s why the native branch of the olive tree would be chopped off and another grafted in.
>>>The catholic church slaughtered all the real followers of Yeshua, and all the Jews, that they could find, from the fourth through fifteenth centuries.<<<
But no prophets? No apostles? I guess we can strike the catholic church from the list of potential Babylon the Greats.
>>>The description of Babylon in The Revelation is easily recognized as the Vatican, and the British royal family.<<<
You are kidding, right?
Philip
>>>And who sits “as a queen” in Jerusalem?<<<
It doesn’t say “who.” It says “she,” “the city.” She was also labeled a Harlot, just like Jerusalem by the old testament prophets.
Read some of Josephus’ works. Jerusalem was the “showcase of the middle east,” in its day. It was a splendid city: maybe even “A Queen” among cities.
No matter. The written word is all that matters. We have to determine which city was responsible for the blood of the prophets, and we will find Babylon the Great.
Philip
>>>Sure, because by that time Judaism was no longer the true religion (post Pentecost). Anyway, the form of Judaism still extant by that time was hopelessly corrupt anyway. That’s why the native branch of the olive tree would be chopped off and another grafted in.<<<
Good post! I also recall reading that some of the natural branches would also be grafted back in. To me that can only mean one thing: God is no respecter of persons.
Philip
Read it again. It definitely is a real queen.
Rome slaughtered ALL of the apostles.
.
>>>Considering that Peter specifically calls out the Hebrew settlements of the area that was then known as Babylon as the intended recipients of the epistle, I suspect that was where he was when he wrote it.<<<
I recall that Peter wrote his epistle to strangers scattered throughout Asia Minor, including Proconsular Asia. What areas are you referring to?
Philip
>>>Rome slaughtered ALL of the apostles.<<<
You forgot to include your sarcasm tags. You are kidding, right?
Philip
If you look up the word used for “strangers” in the Greek text, you will see that he was speaking to his Hebrew cousins is the area below the Black sea.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.