And the MORMONs have the CORRECTED Scriptures, as well as ANOTHER testament of Jesus Christ; plus LOADS of tradition; too!
And yes; you CAN get it all in ONE BOOK as well!
Posted on 03/31/2014 7:35:15 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
Heck; even HE said, "Who am I to judge the homos?" (or something quite like it...)
As a PROTESTant; I'd like to see some input (or output) on the matter of SIN, instead of MONEY.
I might be gone for a couple of days folks; as I've just seen a rabbit I MUST follow into a hole!
Toodle OOOh!
There MUST be some place on the web, where one can find the guys that kept the Old Testament together, crowing over THEIR achievement!
LOL!
Let’s talk about everything at once!
I waylaid my current fave friar, and he agreed with me that "physical" is too confusing a word to use. We tossed "actual" around, and I agreed to do some etymological/philological research, since I enjoy that.
His contribution was that when all the thrashing around is done the only thing to say is something like "IHS is there -- body, blood, soul, divinity -- sacramentally."
I thought you would be interested.
In other unfinished business:
I think it important to view (and to criticize, if you must) "Marian devotion" in the context of devotion to /cult of All the saints, even the unofficial ones. Yes, the difference of the Immaculate Conception is a big deal 'n all, but other than that, there are maybe 144,000, maybe ten thousand times ten thousand, in any case a great many saint. In my daily devotions I invoke her, but I invoke practically a whole baseball team of other friends a well.
What she is in a big way, we can hope to be also, though probably not in such a big way.
I think that's a fair statement of the Catholic attitude.
Having merit in the sense of motivating and enabling a dying man, that is too drunk to see he is drowning, to accept the rescue offered him, then sobers him, and feeds him to have strength as they set off for a beautiful country.
And which he promises him to live in if he will trust his rescuer, and which also means trusting him as to catch and clean some difficult fish off the side of a boat, with the enablement he gives him, and works in his heart that trust and willingness to do so. And which fishing the rescuer does not need him to do, nor does he need the fish, as actually it would be less trouble to just make them, or do without them.
An inadequate analogy, but point is that the rescue was entirely unmerited, and the reward is not commensurate to the work, but it is rewarded as merit under the rubric of grace, not as if God was actually indebted to them for service, except to keep His word and perform His grace to souls which owe everything to him.
But may the Lamb receive the reward of His sufferings.
The first time through I’m fine with that.
I’ll check tomorrow. But so far, yes.
Again, a poor image is that of the parent who chooses to be bound, in a game, by the orders of the child. I spent an hour or so allowing my niece and nephew to tell me what to do in the perseverative re-enactments of fairy tales which delight children.
bttt
Which Luterans and Anglicans say. But i is not the same, while the NT does not show the Lord's supper as being the source and summit of their faith, and the means of gaining spiritual and eternal life. The only manifest description of it focuses on the church as the body of Christ, showing the Lord death by its communal meal of sharing, as described here and the distinction briefly in many posts .
In my daily devotions I invoke her, but I invoke practically a whole baseball team of other friends a well. What she is in a big way, we can hope to be also, though probably not in such a big way. I think that's a fair statement of the Catholic attitude.
It is a fair statement, but totally absent from Scripture, in which the only intercessor btwn man and Heaven is Christ, who is the all-sufficient high priest who ever lives to make intercession for the saints (Heb. 7:25) - the only one said to do so in heaven - who is uniquely able to as One who was tempted in all points as we are, yet with sin. (Heb. 2:14-18; 4:14-16)
And as a mark of His deity souls are directed to call upon Him: "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved," (Rm. 10:13) not saying Mary etc., and by whose blood the believer has direct access to the Father,(Heb. 10:19) whom the Lord directed us to address in prayer, and the Spirit cries to, (Gal. 4:6) and Paul knelt before, (Eph. 3:14) and no one else.
All of which has been said, while RC supper for PTDS must resort to arguments from silence and erroneous extrapolation.
For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. (Or words to that effect.) I don't think the identification of the Sacrament with the Church, the Body of Christ, is exclusive.
My post, though, was about my earlier objection to the word “physically” in discussing Eucharistic teaching. You said I would be rebuked, and even though I skimmed an article yesterday in which a Jesuit used the word, the friar agreed with me that it seemed to be more about what we would call accidents than about substance.
Physical things are mass and motion and the like. These are the accidents of a thing, not its substance. A chair is a chair whether it is light or heavy, in motion or at rest. “Chairness” has neither weight nor speed.
As to the rest, you pray with your friends, and I'll pray with mine.
Beats me!
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I wonder if you think the original questions have been clarified.
Catholics give full creddit to the Jews for keeping and recording the old testament...much of which was "tradition". However, when Catholics put together the new testament, they realized that it was a continuation and a supplement to the ld testament, so they included both in their new book....called the bible!!! Lucky you, now you have them both in one book and have no need to drop in at your local synagogue to brush up on Moses and Abraham!!!
And the MORMONs have the CORRECTED Scriptures, as well as ANOTHER testament of Jesus Christ; plus LOADS of tradition; too!
And yes; you CAN get it all in ONE BOOK as well!
I guess Catholics would rather rail against their 'separated brethren' than point out REALLY heresy.
Too bad...
No one has proven or shown that the Bishops possessed infallibility. The Bishops either were or were not infallibly correct in their votes. If they were that is one thing. If they weren’t.... that is another.
And please, no circular reasoning in trying to prove that the Bishops possessed infallibility.
But in any case, the idea is not that the infallibility inheres in a person or persons but in certain situations. The Pope or the bishops who are going to or leaving from a council do not have infallibility as a personal possession or quality.
The basis of the IDEA is that God protects the Church from error. So when it exercises its highest teaching (or “Magisterial”) function, it does so reliably. So questions about the infallibility of the bishops involved do not really touch the question except insofar as they help clarify it.
What's wrong with a priest dedicating his life completely to Christ as a married man that so many Catholics so vehemently object to it, especially since it worked for over a thousand years before the Church changed its policy?
What is wrong with a woman deciding to become a cloistered nun that prays for sinners?
Because she is not out ministering to people. Jesus didn't cloister Himself nor did he ever advocate it. He went about doing good; healing the sick and feeding the hungry.
His command to us is to GO OUT and make disciples. Christianity is not about becoming cloistered and ingrown.
FOTFLOL!!!!!!!!
And if that doesn't work to discredit those who you call Catholic bashers, what else do you propose to accuse them of?
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