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Washington Post: gay marriage is new test for Catholic Church
The Deacon's Bench ^ | 4/6/2014 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 04/07/2014 4:12:10 AM PDT by markomalley

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1 posted on 04/07/2014 4:12:10 AM PDT by markomalley
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Even as same-sex marriage seems to reflect — or trigger — greater acceptance of gay equality in the overall American public,

Sodomite propaganda buried in the article ...

2 posted on 04/07/2014 4:15:05 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; ...
“The church can’t let a diocesan employee, especially one who has a significant and public role in the liturgy of the Mass, and other ceremonies, to stand in open defiance of church teachings.”

Catholic ping!

3 posted on 04/07/2014 4:26:05 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: markomalley

I understand that the illness of homosexuality is never going to go away
I have always felt sorry for these poor folks. I don’t think they should be persecuted either mentally or physically. Let them live and do whatever they do behind closed doors.

But

There lifestyle is an aberration and should be practiced quietly and discretely. It is not to be legitimized with marriage nor openly in media children can watch.


4 posted on 04/07/2014 4:30:12 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: markomalley

*snort* Good one.

If the Catholic church EVER capitulates to the gay lobby, in even the most minor way, they’ll lose greater than 85% of their flock overnight. The Vatican knows this. They haven’t been around for 2000 years by being flippant and caving to every political wind that blows by them.


5 posted on 04/07/2014 4:39:34 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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Nor has the Papacy bent to popular will. The church stands as a bastion of God against willfull sin. McMahon knew full well he was in violation to basic teachings of the church in which he worked, taught and studied. His hypocrisy was astounding. FWIW he came up in the church at a time when homosexuality was an acceptable practice among the priesthood. Seminaries in the 70’s were rife with queerdom. This was the breath of fresh air some saw as leavening the church. In truth it soured the whole loaf.


6 posted on 04/07/2014 4:48:30 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: markomalley
“This public act is unmistakable and verifiable and serves to cause scandal in the church and confusion among the laity,” said Michael Donohue, the spokesman. “The church can’t let a diocesan employee, especially one who has a significant and public role in the liturgy of the Mass, and other ceremonies, to stand in open defiance of church teachings.”

This is the point. The Church is not on a witch-hunt to sniff out suspected gays, either those employed by it or just plain parishioners; after all, homosexual acts are just a sin like any other, and who knows if that person who looks or acts "gay" in the opinion of observers (a) isn't committing such sins at all or (b) is repenting if he does and trying to avoid them.

But "gay marriage" is an attack on the Church's legal and moral teaching and a public, formal act that denies Catholic teaching about the sinfulness of homosexuality. So it simply can't be ignored.

7 posted on 04/07/2014 4:48:35 AM PDT by livius
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Second attack in a row on dogma. Well, Easter is coming. What can you expect except more of the same. It happens every single year.

From this article, his sexual proclivities matter more than the Eucharist. He exchanged the Presence for nothing by joining some gay church.


8 posted on 04/07/2014 5:03:41 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: markomalley
As Mammy Yokum so eloquently stated, "Ah has SPOKEN !"

and if the Catholic Church wants to remain credible, it too will have spoken and never, ever respond to an article like this.

We here in FR have learned how to kill a thread or an idea by ignoring the poster .... unfortunately, the ______________ sometimes wants to take away our fun by deleting it before we get a chance

9 posted on 04/07/2014 5:10:21 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: markomalley

Those three theological degrees won’t impress Jesus on Judgment Day.


10 posted on 04/07/2014 5:19:55 AM PDT by txrefugee
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What this has shown is that “Don’t ask, Don’t tell” leads to “You had better celebrate how I have sex otherwise I will destroy you”.


11 posted on 04/07/2014 5:25:06 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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I agree with your post. I would only add that it’s not very charitable to let them “do whatever they do behind closed doors.”

The pastor mentioned here, as well as some Protestants are charitable when homosexuals are confronted with their “illness” (an apt description by the way) instead of just left alone with it. That’s what the devil likes, when we leave people alone to deal with their own cross.

I don’t care for how the Duck Dynasty patriarch (I can’t recall his name right now) put it, but I’d submit he was being more charitable to homosexuals with his words than someone who just has a “live and let live” mentality.

Forget about the fact such people are probably headed to Hell, right NOW they are harming themselves by simply living in an inhuman manner.


12 posted on 04/07/2014 6:12:23 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: markomalley

Government is attempting to redefine sin and religious belief.

Unmarried sex (fornication) and adultery will no longer be considered “sinful” if big government gets its way.

So much for a separation of church and state.

Smash the patriarchy.

The 68 Red Revolution rolls on.


13 posted on 04/07/2014 6:22:20 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: “Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?”)
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The church does not ‘think’ as a democracy

The church will never capitulate as its definition is its dogma. When people in the church disagree and change it they are called protestant

This article is... No the headline is meant to disturb. There is nothing in the article that asserts this claim

The church is not challenged. It’s members a persecuted by the culture but the church is in no way challenged

Not at all


14 posted on 04/07/2014 6:48:41 AM PDT by stanne
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I don’t care for how the Duck Dynasty patriarch (I can’t recall his name right now) put it...

I completely agree with Phil Robertson and also in the manner he said what he said this;

15 posted on 04/07/2014 6:59:41 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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Understood. I wasn’t presaging anything, I was stating a fact. The church isn’t that stupid.


16 posted on 04/07/2014 7:05:22 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: livius

Practicing sodomites are not engaging in a sin “just like any other”. There is also something called “church discipline”. Really. All you have to do is read your Bible to find out.

Even secular conservatives are coming to the conclusion that there is no peaceful coexistence with sodomites.


17 posted on 04/07/2014 7:08:11 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: markomalley
New??

It's been around for a long time. All over the world -- in all denominations.

The Catholic Church has stood staunchly against it.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.


18 posted on 04/07/2014 7:11:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Last Dakotan

I don’t disagree with anything he said and that quite in particular I don’t have any issue with at all. There’s another quote though where he disparaged homosexual activity with, to say the least, salty language. It can’t be repeated in the Religion Forum.

That is what I was referring to in my previous post. There’s charity and then there’s just being crude. The quote I’m talking about is both; I’m just saying the crudity can be eliminated. A graphic description of the act is not needed when condemning it.


19 posted on 04/07/2014 7:34:44 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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Watch 'em cave.

Not that everybody else isn't as well. We're all being punished by having this foisted on us.

20 posted on 04/07/2014 7:42:43 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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