Posted on 04/24/2014 8:00:18 AM PDT by fishtank
That is dodging the issue of explaining 1 Jn 3:9 from any text basis.
No sale.
Let me point out that in prior posts to this topic, you posted clipped-out "proof-texts" without applying proper exegesis, but rather attempting to make them conform to your false soteriology. That's eisegesis, an unworthy handling of Scripture.
(BTW, those were basically from the KJV, translated from the Koine, but not carrying over the identification of the words added by the translators. They were not translated from any Hebrew or Aramaic version.)
When are you going to give us an explanation of 1 Jn 3:9?
You are absolutely correct. My point was that once we have accepted Christ and His atoning sacrifice, our salvation is secured at the cost of His blood. That it is never something worked for. The realization of that salvation comes at the time of our death or at the Glorious Appearing, whichever occurs first. We continue to live within the confines of a sinful world but not conform to it and are thus providing works as a demonstration of our faith and for the love we have for Jesus.
That's a nice, concise word, and I will adopt it for explaining the nature of the transaction to others who haven't yet seen their situation clearly.
With respect --
The eisegesis and dodging is all yours.
1. No epistle of any apostle has any verses or chapters. They ate to be read as a complete thought.
2. No part of God’s word was presented in Greek.
3. Koine is not a Greek dialect; it is the result of confused clumsy attempts at translating the Hebrew and Aramaic texts into a language that was ill equipped to handle the complexity of the culture that Yehova’s Torah generated.
4. I gave you the explanation of the first epistle of John, and all portions thereof must be taken as a part of that epistle. Stop chopping the word! Separating parts of an epistle makes it Satan’s word.
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The Holy Spirit had absolutely nothing to do with the mangled Greek translations of Yehova’s word, any more that he had anything to do with the preparation of the Antichrist’s “modern” Bibles.
The Greek is a translation, the Hebrew is the word of God.
Stop chopping the word!
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>> “You are absolutely correct. My point was that once we have accepted Christ and His atoning sacrifice, our salvation is secured at the cost of His blood.” <<
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That is not what God’s word says, that is what the twisted churchian Lao Dicean mind wants it to say.
God’s word universally says that salvation will be the end of our faith, at the last trump. No part of it says anything different.
Matthew 7:23 states what those that hold your belief will be told.
Do you ever ‘teach’ on Matthew 7?
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Sayonara on this discussion.
Yep. It does:
No, it truly does not.
You are twisting and stretching single verses way out of context to support desire rather than scripture.
Yep. It does. Fact of the matter is, once you accept Christ, He grants you salvation right then and there. Your name is written in the Lambs Book of Life and God's wrath will not come upon you. You are forgiven and become co-heir with Christ. Anything else reduces Christ to nothing more than a promissory note.
>> “Yep. It does. Fact of the matter is, once you accept Christ, He grants you salvation right then and there.” <<
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Why then doesn’t he think so?
He says “He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved.”
How do you explain all the high powered “Christians” in Matthew 7, that confess his name and work in the gifts of the spirit, but get told “depart from me, I never knew ye?”
Your method doesn’t fit the scriptures at all.
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BTW, the wrath you need to worry about is Satan’s wrath in the trib.
God’s wrath comes after the trib, when his own are on the sea of glass mingled with fire.
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You really do not know the scriptures. The tribulation IS God's wrath, poured out on the Earth and the inhabitants therein. Ever heard of the seven seals? Read up a bit and learn.
Yes I do know the scriptures.
The trib is Satan’s wrath after he is cast out of the presence of Yehova, to Earth to tribulate the seed of the Woman. When he indwells “Antichrist” is the beginning of the 3.5 years of the trib.
At the end of that 3.5 year period (1335 days) is the first resurrection, at the last trump, as both Yeshua and Paul so clearly spoke. That marks the beginning of Yehova’s wrath on the beast, and those, such as yourself, that worship the beast and have the mark of his name. That lasts exactly ten days (Yom teruah to Yom Kippur).
The reason that you can’t understand it is because you reject his scriptures, his Torah, that spells it out through the appointed times, his feasts. Without that teaching, there is no hope of understanding. Revelation 3:3 states plainly that because you reject his feasts (you “will not watch”) he will come to you like a thief, and you will not know the hour. Those that watch (honor his feasts) will be ready when he comes; that is what they are for.
We are presently at the fifth seal, and the sixth is poised to be opened.
Your lack of understanding of the seals is well demonstrated in your post. The seals began to be opened soon after John’s death marked the end of the apostolic age. The events of the seals are evident in the plague of pharmaceutical drugs, and GMO agriculture, which would cause all flesh to be destroyed, were it not soon terminated by Yehova’s wrath.
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