If “Heaven is for Real” Then Do Babies Who Die in Abortions Go to Heaven?

Life News ^ | April 29, 2014 | Christina Martin

[The Sons of Liberty]

In the book “Heaven is for Real”, the little boy saw his sister, who died before birth, in Heaven. Children murdered in the womb through abortion should also be in Heaven.

[Salvation]

From the Bible: “Unless you are born of water and the spirit you shall not enter the Kingdom of God.”

http://biblehub.com/john/3-5.htm

[SampleMan]

This is the type of thing that I think is fine to speculate on, but the answer doesn’t really matter.

God is just, and that is all we can be sure of or need know.

[Former Fetus]

I can see that (Baptism of desire) relating to an adult, like the thief on the cross. But it seems to me like a stretch to use to refer to unborn babies. Although I understand that nothing is impossible to God. What would be the difference between baptism of desire for an unborn baby or just calling it a special dispensation of God’s grace? Either way the baby would go to heaven, wouldn’t he?

[Karl Spooner]

I think the operative word here is “born”. Aborted babies are never ‘born’. Hence, by definition, they are not ‘born’ into sin.

Good point. It does get pretty deep when the 1st earth age prior to it's overthrow is considered.

Romans 9:11 "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him That calleth;"

Romans 9:12 "It was said unto her, "The elder shall serve the younger."

Romans 9:13 "As it is written "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

Question No 1 (answer) ... they came from God, they go back to God.

Question No 2 (answer) ... it is murder, ‘Thou shall not kill’.

‘KISS’ is always good...’Keep it Simple...’

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

You are correct...

See my post this thread #86

[lepton]

And how many angels do dance on the head of a pin?

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Are you aware that that was an ahistorical reference used merely to mock?

[Gamecock]

We really don’t know the exact answer to this.

But what we do know is God is far more merciful and gracious than we can comprehend.

[SpirituTuo]

It creates a false choice. Consider the case of a martyr. Just because they will go straight to Heaven as a martyr, is it right, just, or OK to kill them? Clearly, the answer is “No!”

It also doesn’t strain the intellect to presume God would welcome into His kingdom, those whom He created, who died/were killed prior to birth.

[lepton]

How so? Where is that suggested in the Bible?

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Which part?

Revelations describes us *looking* into open heaven, and passing to a new earth, with new bodies (rather than becoming angels, as is commonly referenced in Christian mythology).

[steve86]

First, if you are Catholic and under the age of 60 or so, it is because the Church has been infiltrated by Marxist-homosexualists tasked with destroying the Church from the inside. Their father, satan, wants to convince...

I was sort of reading your comment from the bottom up and was thinking: My goodness, Mrs. Don-O's commentary is becoming radicalized to the degree I hadn't seen in the past. Most uncharacteristic of her and so different from the apologetics and ἀπολογία we typically see from her.

But I agree with most of what Annie says.

[Karl Spooner]

Yep, a new spiritual body that puts on immortality. But the souls of the unsaved still have a mortal soul, i.e. they are still liable to die.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Madam, you are correct on that point, and Ann B. is incorrect. Ann is misconstruing Catholic doctrine on this point, at elast by omission, which surprises and disappoints me.

I apologize for having become a source of confusion by quoting her, and I will tell you what I told my friend Dutchboy88:

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I should have put a disclaimer on Ann's article. The makes *many* statements I do NOT endorse. I realize I called her a "wise woman", so I brung it on myself.

Please give me a small penance (like, I could genuflect on my sore left knee) and then permit me back into the land of FR respectability, I beg you.

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I hope you will note the small irony.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Yes, but there are also those who are saved by martyrdom (e.g. the Holy Innocents) and those saved by desire (the Good Thief), also derived from Biblical and Catholic doctrine.

"The Sacraments are binding on us; they are not binding on God."

[Mrs. Don-o]

We do not know if the unborn or newborn baby, unbaptized, goes to heaven, or whether some other merciful provision is made.

Whatever it is, it will be the right thing. Perhaps we are pointing in the same direction... the only possible direction --- which is the loving-kindness of God.

[Former Fetus]

Perhaps we are pointing in the same direction... the only possible direction --- which is the loving-kindness of God.

Well said!

[Mrs. Don-o]

Ann Barnhart is a brilliant and courageous woman who sometimes overshoots the mark in order to make a strong point in a polemical mode. This is her mode par excellence.

I don't think you can always go to her safely for doctrine, since she tends to elide important complexities and go straight to the part that can be shouted. No footnotes.

That has its place. I still read her with respect and pleasure, and she never fails to challenge me in a good way.

But I read her with caution as well, because --- remember --- all the vices are wild virtues: virtues unlinked to those other truths by which they can be truly good and ordinate.

I'm tired. Must get up early for the 7:00 Mass - to pray for a deceased friend, not a Catholic, not even a Christian. Though perhaps, a woman whose faith is known to God alone.

Join me please: May the Lord graciously receive the soul of Sharon K, the Shape-Note singer.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Judica me, Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Judica me, Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta.