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United Methodist body considers change to sexuality stance
United Methodist News ^ | 4/29/2014 | Heather Hahn

Posted on 04/30/2014 7:11:57 PM PDT by wonkowasright

The Connectional Table, one of The United Methodist Church’s governing bodies, has decided to draft legislation that could change church law “to fully include LGBTQ persons in the life and ministry of the church.”

The draft would be brought back to the Connectional Table at a future meeting for consideration. The April 29 decision to draft the legislation came the same day the Connectional Table began a series of three public discussions on human sexuality.

The dialogue “is an exercise of our responsibility to be a common table for the church and to confer with one another as representatives of the church,” said Dakotas-Minnesota Area Bishop Bruce R. Ough, Connectional Table chair, the day before the event.

“The Connectional Table believes that we need some specific language to inform the discussion before we can seek effective feedback from the Connection and fully discern what our next steps will be," Ough said after the event, in a press release. “This decision has empowered the Table to begin developing such language, which would be open to debate, amendment, and improvement before any final decision is made on adoption.”

The 59-member Connectional Table is a United Methodist governing body of clergy and lay people that coordinates the denomination’s mission, ministry and resources. Any legislation adopted by the body would go to the denomination's top lawmaking assembly, General Conference, for action in 2016.

(Excerpt) Read more at umc.org ...


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; lgbtq; methodist
The Methodists were unable to change this at their General Conference a bit back, so they prevented a vote, now they are moving forward at the US level, ignoring their more conservative world church.
1 posted on 04/30/2014 7:11:58 PM PDT by wonkowasright
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To: wonkowasright

Uh-OH! There goes another church down the drain.


2 posted on 04/30/2014 7:15:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wonkowasright

Wonderful how they keep mining the Bible for new perspectives like this . . . reminds me of how our federal judges are always discovering new rights in the Constitution.


3 posted on 04/30/2014 7:15:07 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Salvation

Not so much “down the drain” and “left behind”!


4 posted on 04/30/2014 7:16:01 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: Salvation

Just another social club.


5 posted on 04/30/2014 7:16:02 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: Salvation

My thoughts exactly.


6 posted on 04/30/2014 7:16:32 PM PDT by miserare (2014--The Year We Fight Back!)
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To: wonkowasright

What’s a “sexuality stance” in the real world?


7 posted on 04/30/2014 7:16:37 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

A pose on a yoga mat?


8 posted on 04/30/2014 7:20:17 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: wonkowasright

Another church bites the dust.


9 posted on 04/30/2014 7:20:29 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Salvation

They’ve been down the drain for a while,what you’re seeing now is the collapse of the decayed shell of what was once a great Church.


10 posted on 04/30/2014 7:21:52 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: wonkowasright
LGBTQ persons

"Q"?

Oh, hell. The sodomites' stupid acronym just grew another letter.

11 posted on 04/30/2014 7:31:04 PM PDT by SIDENET
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To: Farmer Dean
They’ve been down the drain for a while

That's a fact. I walked away from the Methodist Church 30 years ago.

12 posted on 04/30/2014 7:33:17 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: wonkowasright

The ministry is far more liberal than the rank and file. Here in Southern California I seriously doubt that a minister would be given anything other than a totally failing church if they were not fully behind this action and outspoken supporters of gay marriage. The certainly would never make District Superintendent let alone Bishop. Of course the Methodist Church is dying in Southern California.


13 posted on 04/30/2014 7:37:55 PM PDT by airedale
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To: airedale

The laity is not going to go for this. I’m outta here if they go this route.

Oldplayer


14 posted on 04/30/2014 7:39:48 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: wonkowasright

In other news the Methodists have decided to thumb their collective noses at God.


16 posted on 04/30/2014 7:41:30 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: wonkowasright

This is why my wife and I left First Presbyterian Church (USA). While we had a good local congregation and Pastor, the National Presbytery were a bunch of Libs masquerading as evolved Christians.

Sadly, we also recently left our second church. They have embraced the “Seeker Friendly” Growth movement espoused by Rick Warren and other mega church leaders. The goal of these churches is not to offend anyone. The result is a Sunday Morning Coffee Shop with watered down, self-help messages. Sickening!


17 posted on 04/30/2014 7:41:58 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: livius
they have a Wide Stance???
18 posted on 04/30/2014 7:50:43 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Artcore

Please note: the Connectional Table has no authority to do anything beyond propose legislation, and General Conference will smack that proposal down again in 2016. Also please note that the CT vote was 17-15, and was packed with theological liberals.

As for the UMC itself, we’re a ship that steers slow, but we’re turning away from our liberal establishment past- Asbury Theological Seminary now graduates more UMC clergy than any two of our official seminaries, and United Theological Seminary is an official seminary in the midst of an evangelical renaissance.

Your prayers for us are always appreciated.


19 posted on 04/30/2014 7:56:14 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: Farmer Dean

The UMC in the US and Europe is thoroughly feminized. It has been for at least 25 years. It is not, by any traditional standard a Christian church.


20 posted on 04/30/2014 7:59:45 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: livius

> What’s a “sexuality stance” in the real world?

Code words for acceptance of depravity for profit


21 posted on 04/30/2014 8:00:00 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: The Grammarian

Too many ministries have been destroyed by homosexuals in positions of authority in the UMC. I do not see any movement away from this intensely destructive influence.


22 posted on 04/30/2014 8:03:14 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: wonkowasright
All this hoopla over a few queers?

Seems misplaced.

23 posted on 04/30/2014 8:22:44 PM PDT by upchuck (Support ABLE, the Anybody But Lindsey Effort. Yes, we are the ABLE!!)
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To: The Grammarian

Good to hear. I was raised Methodist and know there are many good people particularly in the smaller churches.


24 posted on 05/01/2014 2:35:23 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningful to say)
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To: The Grammarian

The neutered will to discipline as displayed in the recent debacle with the minister “marrying” his son to another man is proof enough of the UMC’s total depravity. It may not be this year, but I predict that within five years, this former church will go the same way of apostasy as the ECA.


25 posted on 05/01/2014 2:42:23 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: madprof98

Luther’s fault


26 posted on 05/01/2014 2:45:02 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: wonkowasright

Sins are no big deal to God, forget about it ~
United Methodist Church


27 posted on 05/01/2014 2:58:51 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Artcore

The goal of these churches is not to offend anyone. The result is a Sunday Morning Coffee Shop with watered down, self-help messages

...socializing under the vapid rubric of God...this is not limited to any one contemporary denomination, it affects all of them...including the Roman Catholic Church...

...I don’t disagree that church is a place to socialize, but all that should be done outside the sanctuary, or whatever one chooses to call the ‘worship space’, so as to maintain the concept of ‘divinity’as opposed to ‘secularity’...ditto with the language used in the worship itself, it should reflect an linguistic element not seen in common parlance...but of course, try selling all this to the current crop of congregants at any suburban church of any denomination, where the unstated creed is...’isn’t God lucky to have such people as ourselves for worship...’


28 posted on 05/01/2014 4:32:20 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: wonkowasright

Can I marry my sister yet? Why not?


29 posted on 05/01/2014 5:37:32 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: SIDENET
LGBTQ persons

>> "Q"? Oh, hell. The sodomites' stupid acronym just grew another letter.

"Q" = "Queer radical sexual anarchist activist" or "Questioning" depending on which homosexual lobbyist you talk to.

Funny how heterosexuals people are encouraged to "question" if they are really straight but it is a crime against human rights to help someone who may be questioning if (s)he is really homosexual.

30 posted on 05/01/2014 6:04:27 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: Revolting cat!; GeronL

Methodists apparently are questioning their sexuality.


31 posted on 05/01/2014 7:43:47 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: fwdude

Won’t happen. General Conference is increasingly conservative with the explosive growth of the UMC in Africa and Asia, and it’s the only body that can change our Discipline, which declares homosexual practice incompatible with Christian teaching and makes it chargeable to “marry” samesex couples or to ordain self avowed practicing gays.

The challenge will be enforcing it in liberalized regions like the West and Northeast.

Again, your prayers for us are always appreciated.


32 posted on 05/01/2014 9:02:53 AM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: The Grammarian

I pray you’re right, but fear that this group is lost. It will take a schism, not a body-wide healing, to reconcile any affiliated party to biblical Christianity.


33 posted on 05/01/2014 9:12:15 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude
There is actually increasing talk of just such a split. As for me, I am reassured by the words of The Church's One Foundation,
Though with a scornful wonder
we see her sore oppressed,
by schisms rent asunder,
by heresies distressed,
yet saints their watch are keeping;
their cry goes up, "How long?"
And soon the night of weeping
shall be the morn of song.
And I am also reminded of the great evangelical leader John Stott, who pointed out that that faithful remnant in the Bible is always within the church, not outside of it.
34 posted on 05/01/2014 2:35:32 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: wonkowasright

I wonder why alcoholics could not take over the equivalent of mosques to change Islam’s teachings about alcohol.


35 posted on 05/02/2014 6:54:24 AM PDT by Michael1977
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To: Salvation

“oops there goes... another apo-state church”


36 posted on 05/02/2014 6:55:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: wonkowasright

What is it with liberals/progressives? They don’t leave an organization whose beliefs they don’t agree with. They break it.


37 posted on 05/04/2014 2:25:42 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: The Grammarian

Are you also following what happened to the Episcopal/Anglican churches? What’s next—the big fight over Methodist real estate (church buildings)?


38 posted on 06/02/2014 10:20:38 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

I follow it somewhat, and I really hope that doesn’t happen with the UMC. The current dialogue I’m seeing is toward a so-called ‘amicable separation,’ but I think if that happens it’ll be a flat-out miracle.


39 posted on 06/02/2014 3:05:44 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: The Grammarian

I hope what you posted is true.


40 posted on 06/02/2014 3:41:08 PM PDT by roofgoat
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