Posted on 05/02/2014 7:37:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Creation Museum CEO and President Ken Ham and "The Science Guy" Bill Nye continued butting heads on the topic of creationism nearly three months after their debate in February, with Ham criticizing Nye for speaking with a "mocking tone" about him in a recent talk show interview.
"Bill Nye 'the Science Guy' speaks in a mocking tone about me on the NBC TV's 'Late Night with Seth Myers,'" Ham wrote in a Facebook post on Thursday, referring to Nye's appearance on the show earlier this week.
"Also, he again makes the same old false accusation that if generations of children are taught creation, it will undermine science – in fact, he tries to make a ridiculous connection between the internet, computers, facebooking, tweeting, etc. and not believing in creation," he added.
In the interview with Seth Myers, Nye makes air quotes when the host brings up the Creation Museum in Kentucky.
The science advocate, who is also CEO of The Planetary Society, says that he understands why some of his academic colleagues had criticized him for choosing to debate Ham at the Creation Museum in February, as they see it as giving credibility to the creationist argument.
Nye explained that he would have never agreed to the debate if he did not believe it was the right thing to do.
Follow us Get CP eNewsletter ››
"We want to raise awareness of science literacy," or in this case, "science illiteracy." Nye continued: "And the reason I bring this up, you can hate me, you can hate everything, but science education is what leads to innovators."
"This is deeply important to me," the science advocate added. "And I hope that in the coming years, awareness will be raised and voters and taxpayers will not let these people with these extraordinary, wrong views about nature – not be allowed to try to get on school boards."
February's debate, which focused on the question "Is creation a viable model of origins in the modern scientific era?" was watched by an estimated 3 million people online.
Since then, Nye and Ham have commented a number of times on the debate, with the former writing a detailed account of his view on the event in the May/June 2014 volume for The Committee for Skeptical Inquiry.
"The fundamental idea that I hope all of us embrace is, simply put, performance counts as much or more than the specifics of the arguments in a situation like this. I admit that, for me at least, it took tremendous concentration. I was and am respectful of Ken Ham's passion. At a cognitive level, he believes what he says. He really means it, when he says that he has 'a book' that supersedes everything you and I and his parishioners can observe everywhere in nature around us," Nye wrote.
"After the debate, my agent and I were driven back to our hotel. We were, by agreement, accompanied by two of Ham's security people. They were absolutely grim. I admit it made me feel good. They had the countenance of a team that had been beaten – beaten badly in their own stadium."
Ham responded to the article by accusing Nye of painting an inaccurate picture of him, and rejected what he saw as attempts by the The Planetary Society CEO to portray him as a leader of a cultic fringe group.
"I believe he (Nye) is trying to portray me as some sort of tyrannical leader of the AiG (Answers in Genesis) staff and supporters, who follow me as people might do with some sort of cult leader," Ham wrote in April.
"Why does he continue to say this? I believe he is trying to get the public to believe that AiG is some sort of cultic fringe group! It's all a part of trying to marginalize Bible-believing Christians in the culture, of which there are tens of millions of people in the USA alone."
In his Facebook post, Ham says that he continues to await answers on a number of questions regarding evolution and creationism he publicly challenged Nye on, some of which he mentions in an article about the debate on the Answers in Genesis website.
Pew Research Center analysis from December 2013 shows that 60 percent of Americans believe that "humans and other living things have evolved over time," while a third, or 33 percent, disagree with evolution and believe that "humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time."
Well we could teach the children Islam or Satanism creationism. Would that satisfy you, Bill? If course it would.
Dust, sandals etc.
Wow, Nye is so brave going against someone like Ham.
The way to go with this is Intelligent Design.
It is fully confirmed by both the Bible and by scientific principles.
Suggested reading: “I Don’t Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist”, by Dr. Norman Geisler.
Ken Ham, IMHO, does Christianity a huge disservice by very, very poorly presenting the Christian case. We have to do better than simply saying “the Bible says it, and that settles it”. That convinces NO ONE, and simply serves to harden their hearts.
On the other hand, Intelligent Design destroys the evolutionists and the non-believers. It basically leaves them with no leg to stand on, scientifically or morally, other than admitting that they don’t want God to exist, and that they don’t want the accountability to God who inevitably and irrefutably exists.
Bill Nye, the science tie.
I used to try to thread that needle myself - kind of a theistic evolutionist,
until Ham himself showed me the theological problems inherent in that belief.
I think this is partially because a lot of people don't understand that Intelligent Design in incompatible with 6,000 Year Old Young Earth Creationism, and that the Discovery Institute and other centers of Intelligent Design are embarrassed by Ham.
I used to try to thread that needle myself - kind of a theistic evolutionist,
until Ham himself showed me the theological problems inherent in that belief.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I think you are confusing the relative meanings of “creationism” and “Intelligent Design”.
“Creationism” is basically “the Bible says it and that settles it” - very simplistic and basically bumper sticker mentality.
“Intelligent Design” uses scientific principles to destroy the notions of evolution and a non-Theistic creation.
While there is some commonality between the two,creationism and Intelligent Design are really two very separate frameworks of thought. They should never be lumped together or confused. Read Geisler’s book.
” the Discovery Institute and other centers of Intelligent Design are embarrassed by Ham.”
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
As well they should be. However well intended Ham is, his case, like that of all creationists, is simply very circular, based on the Bible alone, and essentially devoid of scientific thought.
Creationism is a very bad way to “go forth, and make disciples of all nations”.
Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding"
““Creationism” is basically “the Bible says it and that settles it” - very simplistic and basically bumper sticker mentality.” Interesting statement in light of your tagline.
Prov 3:5 -— “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding”
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Thank you for quoting my tag line, because it is one of my favorite verses, and I apply it to everything I do. Especially so in the context of this thread.
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Day, Yom, Yud Vav Mem the same word (day) from Genesis 1, first day, second day, etc.
Now!
Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Years, Shanah Shin Nun Hei, as in Rosh Hashanah.
Adam did not die on the yom he ate from the tree of knowledge, how do you reconcile the disparity between these verses? I can.
It’s not as simple as a day is only a 24 hour period. It’s much more complex than that:
http://godandscience.org/youngearth/longdays.html
It’s not as simple as a day is only a 24 hour period. It’s much more complex than that:
http://godandscience.org/youngearth/longdays.html
Definition
Genesis 1:5 God called the light “day” and the darkness “night.” There was evening, and there was morning, marking the first day.
You obviously didn’t read the link, or are afraid of the Truth.
Read the link with an open mind, and pray for God’s wisdom and discernment.
Where did light come from if the sun and stars weren’t created until the fourth day? Without the sun, how would one calculate a “day”?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.