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To: NYer

I am not Catholic and could be considered a protestant of Protestantism (LDS). However, I believe that coercion/violence in the act of establishing the doctrines of God is wholly unchristian. I can find nothing in the life(example) of Christ which would suggest that this would be acceptable to him or those who profess his faith.

Furthermore, I believe that the stated example of the father disciplining his son as a metaphor for a church disciplining non-conformance is totally out of place.

If coercion/persecution is OK to Catholics as a church, then the persecution of Christ and Christianity by the Jewish Elite, could be similarly described as a necessity to punish non-conformity, and could serve equally in justification of the various murders committed by the inquisition. Indeed, if the inquisition was sanctioned by God, why is it not practiced today?

Last of all, history has proven the justness of Catholic non-conformists in the past, such as the example of Martin Luther. In the 1500s, Martin Luther was excommunicated as a heretic, although, the modern Catholic church has modified the church position to conform to most of the self-same criticisms that Martin Luther was excommunicated for.s.


9 posted on 05/04/2014 5:03:25 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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To: teppe

.....Yet Christ got angry and threw the merchants out of the Jewish temple, so there are times when just anger needs to come into play.


13 posted on 05/04/2014 5:53:33 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: teppe
I can find nothing in the life(example) of Christ which would suggest that this would be acceptable to him or those who profess his faith.

Matthew 21:12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.

Mark 11:15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves,

Luke 19:45 When Jesus entered the temple courts, he began to drive out those who were selling.

John 2:15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

15 posted on 05/04/2014 6:12:15 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, but leaning Libertarian.)
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To: teppe
Furthermore, I believe that the stated example of the father disciplining his son as a metaphor for a church disciplining non-conformance is totally out of place.

So true...As we know, the way of the father with the son was chastisement...And as we know the position of the Catholic religion is vengeance...

When the Catholic religion was created with the power and might of the Roman armies, the vengeance against non Catholic believers took on an appalling act of murder and torture, because they could...

We can see in this post that if the means was again available, we'd be living in a far more bloody world...

21 posted on 05/04/2014 9:14:28 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: teppe

You’re claiming LDS is free from coercion and violence?


23 posted on 05/04/2014 9:57:02 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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