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Pope Francis Unfiltered! A Recent Column Describes an Area in which the “Modern” Pope is...
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 5/11/2014 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 05/12/2014 2:20:09 AM PDT by markomalley

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Full title: Pope Francis Unfiltered! A Recent Column Describes an Area in which the “Modern” Pope is definitely “Old School.”
1 posted on 05/12/2014 2:20:09 AM PDT by markomalley
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Msgr Pope ping


2 posted on 05/12/2014 2:20:44 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

He’s a Christian Marxist—and far from the only one.


3 posted on 05/12/2014 2:40:35 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: markomalley

Thanks for the balanced article Mark. I must say I enjoy reading your posts!

It is not only the secular media who use their own filter we all do to some extent - not recognizing it is where the problem lies.


4 posted on 05/12/2014 4:02:02 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: markomalley

See also this thread from yesterday:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3154756/posts


5 posted on 05/12/2014 5:00:16 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: 9YearLurker
He’s a Christian Marxist—and far from the only one.

I disagree. You cannot be both a Christian and a marxist. The two are mutually exclusive.

Likewise you cannot be Catholic without being Christian (a follower of Christ)

Marxists would be calling for the governments to take money by force from those who earned it and give it to those who did not. Somewhat like the pope did last week by calling for "legitimate income redistribution".

So we've finally found the answer to the age old question "Is the pope Catholic?"

Apparently he is not.

6 posted on 05/12/2014 5:16:13 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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Pope Francis, rightly or wrongly (wrongly I would argue), is the darling of self-styled “progressives” who like to see him as a model of the “change” they have been waiting for. The secular media in particular style him as moving the Church dramatically in the directions that please them. But in order to do this, they must apply a filter that ignores a great deal of what he actually says and does. As a Catholic and as Pope, Francis is not going to fit into the media’s (or anyone’s) neat little categories. He is more complex than such convenient little boxes permit.

Pope Benedict too, despite the label of “conservative,” disappointed many conservatives with his views on the economy (as expressed in his last encyclical) and with some of his notions regarding Hell and whether anyone really went there (Benedict tended to be in the camp of Von Balthasar who “dared” to hope that most would be saved). And for all his generosity toward the Traditional Latin Mass, for the record, he never said one publicly as Pope.

IB4TPWMA

7 posted on 05/12/2014 5:23:01 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: markomalley
Pope Benedict nailed it for me.
He said that RELATIVE MORALITY is our problem today.

When he's right, he's right.

8 posted on 05/12/2014 5:27:55 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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Somewhat like the pope did last week by calling for "legitimate income redistribution".

Of all the people on the planet who knows this WON'T happen, he is one of them. Wishful thinking in every way--like hoping the dopers and drunks will turn around, that the cheap will be generous, the bad will be good and the ugly will ... oops, wrong. I've got myself into an Eastwood movie again. :o) Sorry.

9 posted on 05/12/2014 5:33:09 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: John O

I don’t give myself credit for determined whether a professed Christian is or isn’t such.

But I know a Marxist when I see one.


10 posted on 05/12/2014 5:45:12 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

*determining*


11 posted on 05/12/2014 5:45:33 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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Ping!


12 posted on 05/12/2014 6:42:39 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: John O
The Pope is Catholic. On the money -- please read about subsidiarity. (Note I didn't say subsidies.)

Subsidiarity is seeking assistance at the lowest level. Neighbor, community in your block, Caritas fund at local church, St. Vincent de Paul Society in your area, Knights of Columbus, Young Ladies Institute and so on. Once a person has exhausted all these private sources to no avail -- then they can investigate city resources, county resources, regional resources.

Have I mentioned big federal government yet? No.

Repeat After Me: Subsidiarity & Solidarity
Subsidiarity and Human Dignity
Does the USCCB Understand Subsidiarity?
[CATHOLIC CAUCUS] The Principle of Subsidiarity
[CATHOLIC/ORTHODOX CAUCUS] Subsidiarity Over Social Justice
What is the USCCB’s problem with subsidiarity?
Subsidiarity: Where Justice and Freedom Coexist
Health reform still full of thorny problems for Catholics (Vasa comes out for subsidiarity)
What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Subsidiarity, [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Catholic Word of the Day: SUBSIDIARITY, 06-11-09

13 posted on 05/12/2014 7:08:41 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The allegorization of Genesis is where all the trouble starts. Why do conservative Catholics protest when their own philosophy is taken to its logical conclusion???


14 posted on 05/12/2014 7:54:00 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Salvation

He called for “legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the state”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/09/pope-francis-redistribution-wealth-_n_5294629.html

Redistribution of wealth is forced theft.

He he had meant charity, he would have said charity (Which I am all for).

Marxism is not compatible with Christianity


15 posted on 05/12/2014 8:47:07 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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Why is it that no conservative believes the huff post on political matters? But do believe the huff post on religious matters?

LOL! What hypocrisy.


16 posted on 05/12/2014 8:50:35 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I read a smattering of the articles and stand by my original statement. This pope is not Catholic. Pushing for state redistribution of wealth is not only marxist but is also a violation of subsidiarity.


17 posted on 05/12/2014 8:52:32 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O

Did you read any of the information of subsidiarity?


18 posted on 05/12/2014 8:53:21 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

Clever writers have always been able to parse the words and phrases of any individual so as to portray them as having a philosophy or point of view that comports with whatever the writer wishes to suggest.

This ability is not reserved to the either the right or the left. Both camps are quite capable of presenting their version of the “truth” equally. Monsignor Pope is not an exception but seems quite talented in this art as well.

But what Pope Francis (or the leader of any organization for that matter) stands for and promotes is only correctly measured by the results; not by what some spin doctor might say they represent. As a very famous man once said, “every good tree bears good fruit; but a bad tree bears bad fruit.” By any reasonable and rational measure, the Catholic Church, headed up by the modernist popes since John XXIII, has not borne good fruit.

Monsignor Pope’s view is the voice of the neo-Catholics. Until the bishops and the popes recognize that they must return to teaching the true faith, rather than depend upon favorable media to tout their successes, those who seek a holy Church will search in vain.


19 posted on 05/12/2014 9:42:10 AM PDT by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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One modern manifestation of evil is Nancy Pelosi.

And another modern manifestation of evil is the fact the Cardinal Donald Wuerl insists that Nancy Pelosi must be given Communion.

Any priest in the Archdiocese of Washington who denies Communion to Nancy Pelosi, or to an out-and-proud lesbian, will be suspended immediately by Cardinal Wuerl.

Obviously, it is sinful to cause scandal by giving such people Communion. There certainly can be no noble or respectable motive for these evil actions by Cardinal Wuerl! The “reasons” he has offered in public statements have been preposterous.

What could be the REAL motives behind Cardinal Wuerl’s determination to commit sacrilege and cause scandal?


20 posted on 05/12/2014 9:51:13 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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