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Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 5/11/2014 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[Yossarian]

The Pope is Catholic. On the money -- please read about subsidiarity. (Note I didn't say subsidies.)

"Salvation", you're such a boot-licker for the organization that you are now twisting subsidiarity - a wonderful and forgotten concept in Catholicism - into something it NEVER was - forced redistribution by government.

People like you are EXACTLY why I'm no longer Catholic.

[FourtySeven]

How is she twisting subsidiarity into something it's not? How exactly is "redistribution of economic benefit" not an example of subsidiarity? Please don't answer with something snippy like "if you can't see it, I can't help you", or similar some such as commonly passes for discourse around here. I'm asking honestly.

Because for where I sit, cutting taxes, lessening or eliminating government regulation, and limiting the size and scope of federal government itself are all examples of "redistributing economic benefit", not money or wealth, which is not what he said, but "benefit". And also the goals of subsidiarity.

[Yossarian]

"redistribution of economic benefit
BY THE STATE"

[FourtySeven]

Right. And if there are taxes and regulations currently imposed by the state, then don't you think a proponent of subsidiarity would say, the state should lessen these taxes and regulations, in other words the state should redistribute the economic benefits the high taxes and onerous regulations currently give to only a relatively few people. Don't you think that's how a proponent of subsidiarity would phrase such a call? Or do you think he'd call for revolution or something?

That's a perfectly acceptable way to describe what lowering taxes and regulations are: when done by the state when the state lowers taxes and regulations, the state is redistributing the economic benefits high taxes and many regulations denied the people at large.

What is wrong there?

[Jeff Chandler]

Ad Orientem ping

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[piusv]

You speak the truth my friend, especially this:

By any reasonable and rational measure, the Catholic Church, headed up by the modernist popes since John XXIII, has not borne good fruit.

Monsignor Pope’s view is the voice of the neo-Catholics. Until the bishops and the popes recognize that they must return to teaching the true faith, rather than depend upon favorable media to tout their successes, those who seek a holy Church will search in vain.

[Yossarian]

Trying to twist Francis' comments for increased governmental interference into a Ronald Reagan-like call for decreased government interference is insane.

If he had, Christian conservatives - who understand the true meaning of subsidiarity - would be dancing in the streets. Yes, it first starts with people who EARN the money having the freedom to KEEP that money (so they can best use it to do God's will). That's exactly the OPPOSITE of what Pope Fluffy is calling for.

[John O]

Did you read any of the information of subsidiarity?

yep. several of the articles. And what the pope is calling for is ANTI-subsidiarity. Using the force of the state to redistribute wealth is theft no matter what nice name you label it with.

The moment you involve the state, it becomes theft. If he wants to preach to the rich that they should share more, I'd be in total agreement. But that is not what he did. He called for the state to come in and FORCE them to share more.

Yossarian is right on in his comments.

[John O]

It was the huffpost quoting an AP article. Are you saying that the quote was incorrect? Someone posted the entire speech on another thread and what he said in that speech is what was reported by huffpo and AP