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To: ravenwolf
Well yes, I expected you to start making it about me instead of the scriptures.

It's not making it personal when I try to summarize what I am hearing from what you have said. I apologize if I have given you the impression I'm attacking you. I most certainly am not.

I point out a few things Paul said or did that I believe contradicts what Jesus said but the way you ignore or put it off makes me wonder, was Jesus just a forerunner of Paul?

But I've NOT put off anything dear ravenwolf. I have tried to answer all your concerns with what I know about Scripture. I don't know why you keep coming back to saying I am glorifying Paul. You want to indict Scripture as having "many" contradictions and you give this incident with Peter and Paul as an example of one. If, as you concluded, Paul was wrong by publicly rebuking Peter instead of going to him privately as Jesus said, then explain why Jesus PUBLICALLY rebuked Peter several times. Is Jesus a sinner, too? A hypocrite? Are there not times when a public rebuke MUST be done?

Scripture was written for our benefit and I don't believe ANYTHING that is in there - of all the other millions of other words and actions - is there by accident. Was Paul a sinner? Yes. Was Peter? Yes. Are we all? Yes, all have sinned. I have said this before but it seems you haven't seen it. It is in Jesus alone that we have our being and He is our redeemer and King. All things were made by Him and for him and in Him all things consist. Neither Peter nor Paul will ever suffice.

52 posted on 05/16/2014 9:31:01 PM PDT by boatbums (quod semper, quod ubique, quod ab omnibus)
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To: boatbums

Was Paul a sinner? Yes. Was Peter? Yes. Are we all? Yes, all have sinned. I have said this before but it seems you haven’t seen it


Yes, I have seen it and i see it exactly the same way, that is what my first comment to you was about, read it again.

Even the apostles obviously made mistakes, Paul accused Peter of leaving the Gentiles and eating with the Jews, if it was true then both of them made mistakes, Peter for doing it and Paul for telling the world about it rather than going to Peter in private as Jesus said to do.

You don`t seem to mind me saying that Peter may have made a mistake but you seem to put Paul in a different category.

then explain why Jesus PUBLICALLY rebuked Peter several times. >>>>

Because Peter was publicly speaking to Jesus, Peter was saying things to Jesus in the presence of the other apostles, a completely different matter.

Also you mentioned Jesus talking about the religious leaders, they were not brothers in the faith and also Jesus did not make it personal by naming names.

So my only question to you would be that if you agree with Paul that Peter was wrong why can`t you admit that Paul may also have been wrong.

Also you said that Peter admitted he was wrong, if he did I would like to see the scripture.

But still I have no doubt that you are a believer even if you don`t see it the same way I do.

And yes our salvation is in Jesus alone.


54 posted on 05/17/2014 6:20:26 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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