Posted on 05/15/2014 3:24:29 PM PDT by NYer
I didn’t say that every word in the gospel is TRUE ABOUT ME.
I said that everything in the gospel has a meaning that is relevant for me.
You are obviously determined to impose a negative, or preposterous meaning on what I said, even to the point of falsely reporting what I said.
thank you NYer for posting
God speaks and still does through, through His inpired word.
Thanks to Mary’s help, Luke was able to devote the first two chapters of the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Luke to the infancy/childhood of Jesus.
Your opinion and your opinon only.
I agree with most of what you posted. That doesn’t make the falsehoods true.
“I said that everything in the gospel has a meaning that is relevant for me.”
So your chosen hermeneutic is not what God wrote, but what you think it means to you.
Actually, the point is that it should have nothing to do with opinion. God said what He said - and no more. When you take away from what He inspired or add to what He inspired, you distort it.
No. Once again, you have taken the opportunity to put the most negative construction on what I said. But deliberately putting a negative construction on another’s words is not rational argument.
By “me” I meant all human beings who read the gospel.
I was not referring to my private interpretation. I was referring to the objective intention of the author of the gospel. HE did not put anything into the gospel that would not be of spiritual significance to every reader of the gospel.
If the reported exchange about Mary and John was only about Mary and John’s relationship, and not about Mary’s relationship to every human being, then it would not be in the gospel.
“I was not referring to my private interpretation. I was referring to the objective intention of the author of the gospel. HE did not put anything into the gospel that would not be of spiritual significance to every reader of the gospel.”
And that is just the point. God, who inspired the writer, objectively used real Greek words and sentences to communicate exactly what He wanted. Not whatever meaning you bring to it.
“If the reported exchange about Mary and John was only about Mary and John’s relationship, and not about Mary’s relationship to every human being, then it would not be in the gospel.”
This is clearly false. It was important to God to communicate what Christ did in regards to Mary and John. What isn’t there is what you claimed. It says absolutely nothing about Mary’s “relationship with every human being.”
well....no. can't speak for everyone. As you said, agree to disagree. Might want to recant that.
The message to me is not: Go hang yourself.
The message is: Don’t betray Jesus, and don’t commit the sin of despair.
How’s that? Reasonable?
....................... It's a good start Arthur.
It is also there because it is the fulfillment of prophecy, concerning the validation of Christ as Messiah.
“The message to me is not: Go hang yourself.”
Now, explain why you think you have the correct message here - that it doesn’t apply to what you are to do? But in the case of Mary and John, you want to make that specific action apply to you. Why? On what basis of Biblical hermeneutics is that rational?
Did Jesus tell Judas to betray Him? Did Jesus tell Judas to hang himself?
“Did Jesus tell Judas to betray Him? Did Jesus tell Judas to hang himself?”
Not in inspired Scripture.
I saw what you did there. :^’)
Not in inspired Scripture.
Well, actually...
Jesus said to him (Judas), “What you are going to do, do quickly.” John 13:27
;->
That was pretty good. He did tell Judas that.
I do not recall the precise apocryphal writing which aMPU was otherwise slyly referring to...but those sort of works were known to have provided some conceptual "leakage" into the wider commentaries, over the centuries. One version has Judas as some crucial figure who was cooperative -- like -- he was just "playing at" or acting as if he was betraying Christ with the story being presented as it all being part of a larger setting of "holy theatre".
Something along those lines was in some false Gospel or another...I forget which one.
Had Judas repented, I believe he would have had a very moving testimony of God’s love and mercy. His experience shows how satan can oppress someone (or even posses someone) to the point they will lose all hope and commit suicide.
Condemnation will kill you if you don’t repent and get cleansed by the Blood of Jesus.
Way off topic. Sorry for the digression.
He did say that, but I believe it was connected to judas’ betrayal, as Christ foretold. But you’re sharp!
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