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(Pope) Francis: “Pray with your heart, not like a parrot”
Vatican Insider ^ | May 16, 2014 | DOMENICO AGASSO JR

Posted on 05/17/2014 3:53:49 AM PDT by NYer

At this morning’s mass in St. Martha’s House, Francis mentioned three doors to knowing Jesus: Praying to Jesus, celebrating Jesus and imitating him

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“Pope Francis says studying Jesus is not enough to get to know him, we must also pray to him, celebrate him and imitate him. This was the Pope’s core message at Mass on Friday in the Santa Marta residence, Vatican Radio reports. In his homily the Pope reflected on the best way for us to get to know Jesus, describing it as the most important work in our lives. At the same time he warned that studying or having ideas was not enough on its own to acquire that knowledge of Jesus.”

“Ideas by themselves do not lead anywhere and those who pursue the path of their own ideas end up in a labyrinth from where they can’t get out again! It’s for this reason that heresies have existed from the very beginning of the Church. Heresies are this: trying to understand with our minds and with only our personal light who Jesus is. A great English writer wrote that a heresy is an idea that’s gone crazy. That’s right! When they are ideas by themselves they become crazy… This is not the right path!”

Pope Francis explained that we need to open three doors in order to know Jesus:

“The first door is praying to Jesus. You must realize that studying without prayers is no use. We must pray to Jesus to get to know him better. The great theologians did their theology while kneeling. Pray to Jesus! By studying and praying we get a bit closer… But we’ll never know Jesus without praying. Never! Never!”

“The second door is celebrating Jesus. Prayer on its own is not enough, we need the joy of celebration. We must celebrate Jesus through his Sacraments, because these give us life, they give us strength, they nourish us, they comfort us, they forge an alliance with us, they give us a mission. Without celebrating the Sacraments, we’ll never get to know Jesus. This is what the Church is all about: celebration.”

“The third door is imitating Jesus. Take the Gospel, what did he do, how was his life, what did he tell us, what did he teach us and try to imitate him.”

“Entering via these three doors, the Pope went on, means entering into the mystery of Jesus and it’s only in this way that we can get to know him and we mustn’t be afraid to do this. During the day, today, we can think about how the door leading to prayer is proceeding in our life: but prayer from the heart is not like that of a parrot! How is prayer of the heart? How is the Christian celebration in my life proceeding? And how is the imitation of Jesus in my life proceeding? How must I imitate him? Do you really not remember! The reason is because the Book of the Gospel is full of dust as it’s never opened! Take the Book of the Gospel, open it and you will discover how to imitate Jesus! Let’s think about how these three doors are positioned in our life and this will be of benefit to everybody.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; popefrancis
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1 posted on 05/17/2014 3:53:49 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 05/17/2014 3:54:09 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Is he suggesting setting aside the rote memorized “prayers” in favor of talking to God like the Person He is?


3 posted on 05/17/2014 4:47:06 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (The enemy's gate is down...and to the left.)
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To: NYer

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kr1senfest/sets/72157644295031940/


4 posted on 05/17/2014 4:49:56 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (You can't be passive and moral.)
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To: ExGeeEye

I will not speak for others, but I have found rote prayers to be a gateway to the conversation with God. They put me into a meditative state where I can hear him speak to my heart.


5 posted on 05/17/2014 4:51:13 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: NYer
A great English writer wrote that a heresy is an idea that’s gone crazy.

That's Chesterton. It's Chesterton through Babelfish and back again, but that's Chesterton.
6 posted on 05/17/2014 4:53:30 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I'm a Contra" -- President Ronald Reagan)
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To: NYer
“Ideas by themselves do not lead anywhere and those who pursue the path of their own ideas end up in a labyrinth from where they can’t get out again! It’s for this reason that heresies have existed from the very beginning of the Church. Heresies are this: trying to understand with our minds and with only our personal light who Jesus is.

Sounds like a backhanded slap at Protestants...

7 posted on 05/17/2014 4:55:09 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: NYer

““Pray with your heart, not like a parrot””

Catholic services are a bit disturbing because of the parroting of memorized lines at specific times during the service.


8 posted on 05/17/2014 4:55:56 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Popman

He’s referring to the nutty ladies at the LCWR, all of whom consider themselves “theologians.” But of course, a lot of what they believe is very similar to certain forms of modern Protestantism, and to Mormonism in particularly, so I guess this just proves that all heresies are the same at heart.


9 posted on 05/17/2014 5:47:13 AM PDT by livius
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To: CodeToad

Pray like a socialist.


10 posted on 05/17/2014 6:20:53 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: NYer

Good for the guy. Guess he’s taking to heart the Bible’s warning against “vain repetitions”. Chanting is prevalent in cults.

We have R.C. friends, and when they say grace before meals, the prayers are personal, pertinent to specific issues in their/our lives, heartfelt, and end praying “in Jesus’ name”. The guy studied many years for the priesthood, and then started to read the Bible. They still attend a Catholic church because of their heritage, but have many issues with it — rote prayers being one. They don’t “do” the Mary-worship thing, either.


11 posted on 05/17/2014 6:34:44 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: livius
But of course, a lot of what they believe is very similar to certain forms of modern Protestantism, and to Mormonism in particularly, so I guess this just proves that all heresies are the same at heart.

Protestantism = heresies

Thanks for clearing that up...

Very few Catholics will outright admit that...

12 posted on 05/17/2014 6:34:57 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: NYer
“Ideas by themselves do not lead anywhere and those who pursue the path of their own ideas end up in a labyrinth ....

He sure ought to know. I am still trying to get my mind out of this labyrinth of the three doors idea. Never mind that Christ Himself instructed us in to Whom to pray.

13 posted on 05/17/2014 6:55:26 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: ExGeeEye

No, he is not. Prayer can be celebrated individually, and most perfectly in communion with the Church. The Liturgy, the highest prayer of the Church where the Eucharist is received. The Liturgy is not my Liturgy, nor My Priest or Bishops nor is it the Pope’s. It is the Church’s Liturgy received from the Apostles and early Church Fathers down thru the centuries with organic developments [to quote From Pope Benedict]. Individual prayers of ones own making in many cases come from individual ideas and when not reconciled with orthodox Tradition and Doctrine can lead to “crazy ideas” to paraphrase Pope Francis and that can lead to outright heresy.

The Nicene Creed and Apostles Creed are rote prayers but they are beautiful and theologically have depth that reflect orthodoxy unlike anything that I could ever come up with myself. The Gloria, the Agnus Dei [Lamb of God], The Doxology of the Liturgy are rote prayers but again, 100% orthodox in its words and doctrine.

Many of these Individualistic prayers that I hear said among Protestants are just that individual prayers and many of them are theologically suspect. They are just as Theologically suspect when uttered by Catholics, in particular these LCWR nuns and some of the prayers they have been spouting. In fact, much of what they are proposing is downright heretical.


14 posted on 05/17/2014 7:00:46 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CodeToad

The the about mass is that it is a communal act of worship. We have memorized sections so that we are participating with our bodies together in the act of worship. Having said that one does need to actively participate- not just repeat the words without meaning them. But that is a problem for every soul, and has its cause in the weakness of the human condition, not because we have a specific form we follow in order to pray the same prayers and worship together before God as a community.

I also would be careful not to judge on whether someone is actively participating based on how their face looks. We Catholics all have at least 12 children you know-it tends to make us look tired!


15 posted on 05/17/2014 7:13:32 AM PDT by rmichaelj
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To: defconw

Well said. Same here.


16 posted on 05/17/2014 7:14:40 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: MayflowerMadam
Good for the guy. Guess he’s taking to heart the Bible’s warning against “vain repetitions”. Chanting is prevalent in cults.

Matt 6: 7-9 And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases ( vain repetitions) as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. Pray then like this: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name

I think you misunderstand the warning against vain repetitions. Context is always important.

Even denominations that pride themselves on not using the same prayer repeatedly, always use the same prayers repeatedly. They just repeat their own words rather than inspired words.

17 posted on 05/17/2014 8:07:28 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: ExGeeEye

“The first door is praying to Jesus.

“The second door is celebrating Jesus.

“The third door is imitating Jesus.

Even Jesus taught the apostles and disciples how to pray the Our Father. Memorized prayer is OK since we are imitating Jesus.


18 posted on 05/17/2014 8:13:50 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CTrent1564

The Doxology of the Liturgy


Which prayer is the Doxology of the Liturgy?


19 posted on 05/17/2014 8:13:52 AM PDT by rwa265 (Love one another as I have loved you, says the Lord.)
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To: CodeToad

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3157039/posts?page=18#18


20 posted on 05/17/2014 8:15:30 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: onedoug

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3157039/posts?page=18#18


21 posted on 05/17/2014 8:15:54 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Tao Yin

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3157039/posts?page=18#18


22 posted on 05/17/2014 8:17:27 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: rwa265
At the end of the Eucharistic prayer said by the priest:

"Through him, and with him, and in him, O God, almighty Father, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all honor and glory is yours, for ever and ever."

23 posted on 05/17/2014 8:21:05 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Okay, thanks. I wasn’t familiar with the term Doxology of the Liturgy. I didn’t know if it referred to the Great Doxology (the Gloria) or the Eucharistic Doxology before the Great Amen.


24 posted on 05/17/2014 8:46:23 AM PDT by rwa265 (Love one another as I have loved you, says the Lord.)
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To: rwa265

Through Him with Him and in Him in communion with the Holy Spirit, All Glory and Honor is Yours Almighty Father, Forever and Ever, Amen.


25 posted on 05/17/2014 9:23:03 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: rwa265; Salvation

I see Salvation already answered your question. I posted a response without seeing that.


26 posted on 05/17/2014 9:24:13 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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Francis: “Pray with your heart, not like a parrot”

I guess St. Dominic and the Blessed Mother were all wrong regarding Our Lady's Rosary. No wonder Pope Francis disparages what he calls "rosary-counters".

27 posted on 05/17/2014 9:36:09 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: CodeToad

Catholic services preserve the interactive call-and-response style of the Jewish services, which Jesus attended. Also, when his disciples asked him how to pray, he gave them a rote prayer— the Lord’s Prayer. Obviously, He didn’t use that one exclusively Himself (”My God, why have You forsaken me?”). But it wasn’t a bad idea.

It’s easy to pray rote prayer thoughtfully, without just babbling syllables. If people are doing otherwise, that’s on them, not on the content of the prayers or on the liturgical setting.


28 posted on 05/17/2014 9:48:45 AM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Salvation

“Even Jesus taught the apostles and disciples how to pray the Our Father. Memorized prayer is OK since we are imitating Jesus.”

I’ve found that prayer to be very much a blessing lately. It is simple and covers all areas of need. And because the Father hears it through Christ Jesus and the “translation” of the Spirit, it is as deep and rich as our unfathomable hearts need it to be. “He knows what you need before you ask.”


29 posted on 05/17/2014 9:55:17 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: ebb tide

Pope Francis prays the rosary every day of his life.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1304848.htm


30 posted on 05/17/2014 10:01:11 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

Yeah, I’ve heard that before. I still don’t believe it.


31 posted on 05/17/2014 10:04:09 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Devout Catholics pray the rosary every day. Are you saying the Pope is not a devout Catholic?


32 posted on 05/17/2014 10:44:37 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

Any Pope who refuses to give a visible apostolic blessing to a crowd, for fear of offending non-Catholics, is not a devout Catholic.

Any Pope who forbids a religious order from offering the TLM is not a devout Catholic.

Any Pope who spouts “prosleytism is nonsense” and “atheists can go to Heaven” is not a devout Catholic.

Any Argentinean Archbishop who allows false religions to worship in his cathedral is not a devout Catholic.


33 posted on 05/17/2014 10:54:14 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

He is a Modernist, which as Pope St. Pius X decreed in 1907, makes him a heretic.


34 posted on 05/17/2014 10:56:46 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: ebb tide; NKP_Vet

In a tribute to Pope John Paul II at the time of his death, then Cardinal Bergoglio recounted how, in 1985, the example of the Polish Pope inspired him, from that time on, to recite the 15 mysteries of the Rosary every day.


35 posted on 05/17/2014 10:58:39 AM PDT by rwa265 (Love one another as I have loved you, says the Lord.)
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To: ebb tide

I would say any pope who does that stuff is not a valid pope.


36 posted on 05/17/2014 11:01:17 AM PDT by steve86
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To: NKP_Vet
He falls asleep at night reading Kasper's book of heresies. He calls people, living in mortal sin, out the blue telling them to find another Church, where nobody knows them, so they can sacrilegiously receive Holy Communion. When does he find the time to pray a Rosary?

If the Pope was saying a daily rosary, he wouldn't be doing the above. And he wouldn't be making fun of traditional Catholics who offer him Rosary bouquets.

37 posted on 05/17/2014 11:06:08 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: steve86; ebb tide
I would say any pope who does that stuff is not a valid pope.

If someone had listed those things as hypothetical a few years ago I think the majority of "conservative" Catholics would have agreed. Now we're watching the line in the sand being redrawn yet again.

Frankly I'm too afraid to call a spade a spade anymore because I don't know what's coming next. We're all in very dangerous territory, of that I am certain.

38 posted on 05/17/2014 11:08:05 AM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: ebb tide

“Any Argentinean Archbishop who allows false religions to worship in his cathedral is not a devout Catholic”.

Billy Graham regularly had worship services in Catholic Cathedrals all over the world. So you are calling Billy Graham and his protestant faith a “false religion”. Do your research before you post something. The rest of your post is also nonsense.


39 posted on 05/17/2014 11:09:05 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: ebb tide

“He falls asleep at night reading Kasper’s book of heresies. He calls people, living in mortal sin, out the blue telling them to find another Church, where nobody knows them”

And you believe everything you read from the liberal media.


40 posted on 05/17/2014 11:10:23 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: rwa265

That’s commendable?

What was he doing before?.


41 posted on 05/17/2014 11:13:32 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NKP_Vet

That was from the Pope’s introduction of Cardinal Kasper to his recent Synod of bishops.

But I do agree with you that the Vatican’s website has now become liberal media.


42 posted on 05/17/2014 11:20:41 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NKP_Vet

The Catholic Church is the only true religion. All other religions, including Billy Graham’s, are false religions.

Before VC II, all Catholics knew this truth. I’m sorry you apparently believe otherwise.


43 posted on 05/17/2014 11:25:34 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

The MSM is the liberal websites. Did the pope tell you he was scared of offending non-Catholics? Or is that your interpretation of what he said. Or are you a mind-reader?


44 posted on 05/17/2014 11:26:38 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

It’s not an interpretation. It’s a fact.


45 posted on 05/17/2014 11:30:15 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NKP_Vet

Fr. Lombardi is to Pope Francis as Jay Carney is to Obama, a professional liar.


46 posted on 05/17/2014 11:31:45 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NKP_Vet
Did the pope tell you he was scared of offending non-Catholics?

I can't remember the exact words but the pope said something very much like "knowing some of you are not believers I bless you in silence". It was weird whatever it was.

47 posted on 05/17/2014 11:36:35 AM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: ebb tide

You got me wrong. The reason I stay in trouble on FR is because I say all the time that the only true religion is the Catholic Church. I just take up for Pope Francis more than you do. I’m a 4th degree Knight.


48 posted on 05/17/2014 11:42:23 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet
I don't have you wrong. This is what you said:

So you are calling Billy Graham and his protestant faith a “false religion”. Do your research before you post something. The rest of your post is also nonsense.

In the above, you stated all my comments are nonsense, including the one about false religions.

P.S. I know a fourth degree night who practices artificial birth control.

Your knowledge of Catholicism, or lack thereof, does not impress me.

49 posted on 05/17/2014 11:51:23 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Legatus; ebb tide; steve86

More and more I’m convinced we are in a state of sedevacante.

This doesn’t make me popular here (in fact, I’m probably more hated than the prots here by my fellow Catholics), but I can’t consider that man the pope. No way, no how.


50 posted on 05/17/2014 12:04:44 PM PDT by piusv
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