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To: Dr. Thorne
The Second Vatican Council taught that all will be saved in the Apokatastastasis, the Final Restoration of All Things http://www.romancatholicism.org/universal-salvation.html

Wow....all I can say is I am stunned at this "revelation".

83 posted on 05/26/2014 5:14:52 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: ealgeone
The Catholic Church does not and never has taught universal salvation. The link you provided is full of extremely weak "evidence," to say the least. The Catholic Churches that salvation is possible for all men, ie that God provides every man, in some way, the grace needed to be saved. Whether that grace is accepted is not certain.

Which is what the "evidence" at the link says. Its rather different that Calvinism, where some people are damned before all eternity, apparently in order to make those who aren't feel extra special.

126 posted on 05/26/2014 5:46:51 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: ealgeone; Wyrd bið ful aræd
"The Second Vatican Council taught ..." No, it didn't. But the anti-Catholic site proclaims this and other falsehoods. "Apocatastasis - (Greek, apokatastasis; Latin, restitutio in pristinum statum, restoration to the original condition). A name given in the history of theology to the doctrine which teaches that a time will come when all free creatures will share in the grace of salvation; in a special way, the devils and lost souls. ... "From the moment, however, that anti-Origenism prevailed, the doctrine of the apokatastasis was definitely abandoned. St. Augustine protests more strongly than any other writer against an error so contrary to the doctrine of the necessity of grace. ... In any case, the doctrine was formally condemned in the first of the famous anathemas pronounced at the Council of Constantinople in 543: Ei tis ten teratode apokatastasis presbeuei anathema esto [See, also, Justinian, Liber adversus Originem, anathemas 7 and 9.] The doctrine was thenceforth looked on as heterodox by the Church. ... "The doctrine of apokatastasis viewed as a belief in a universal salvation is found among the Anabaptists, the Moravian Brethren, the Christadelphians, among rationalistic Protestants, and finally among the professed Universalists." Catholic Encyclopedia newadvent.org/cathen/01599a.htm
205 posted on 05/26/2014 9:03:39 PM PDT by Daffy
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