[NYer]

The following article was posted several years ago and provides keen insight into the original source language of the Koran. Consider that christian missionaries, who spoke Syro-Aramaic, brought the good news to the desert people.

"Beginning in the third century, the Syrian Christians did not limit themselves to bringing their evangelical mission to nearby countries, like Armenia or Persia. They pressed on toward distant territories, all the way to the borders of China and the western coast of India, in addition to the entire Arabian peninsula all the way to Yemen and Ethiopia. It is thus rather probable that, in order to proclaim the Christian message to the Arabic peoples, they would have used (among others) the language of the Bedouins, or Arabic. In order to spread the Gospel, they necessarily made use of a mishmash of languages. But in an era in which Arabic was just an assembly of dialects and had no written form, the missionaries had no choice but to resort to their own literary language and their own culture; that is, to Syro-Aramaic. The result was that the language of the Koran was born as a written Arabic language, but one of Arab-Aramaic derivation."

The Virgins and the Grapes: the Christian Origins of the Koran

[FatherofFive]

Jihadists usually cite the Koran as the source of their motivation.

It is all there. They are just following their Holy Books:

The Koran:

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Sura (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

Sura (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Sura (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Sura (47:4) - "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make them prisoners,"

Sura (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"

Sura (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end

From the Hadith:

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’”

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

Robert Spencer does a good job here explaining Islam - Blogging the Qur’an

[Biggirl]

Confirms that the God of the Holy Bible is not the same god of the koran.

[pgkdan]

Some, like the atheist Muslim apostate Ibn Warraq, have attributed this uncritical attitude to a fear that the kind of critical analysis that would prove fatal to Islam would also inflict a death blow to Christianity. According to Warraq, “They recognized that Islam was a sister religion, heavily influenced by Judeo-Christian ideas; and Christianity and Islam stood or fell together.”

Patently false! islam and it's book are the flip side, mirror image of Christianity and Judaism. All a Christian has to do is compare the islamic image of Isa (Jesus)presented in the koran to the real, divine image presented in the Gospels.

To wit:
-isa is merely a prophet, the greatest prophet to his time but subservient to mohammed.
-Isa was never crucified.
-Isa is not divine.
-Isa never rose from the dead.
-Isa will come again at the end of the world to judge the Christians and the Jews. He will offer them a final chance to renounce their 'blashemic' views and then lead the Mahdi's armies in a war of conquest and slaughter to kill all Christians and Jews who refuse to convert to islam.
-When Isa comes again he will be the Mahdi's First Lieutenant.

How can pointing out the false teachings regarding our Lord and Saviour possibly harm Christianity??? I feel it's my duty as a Christian to point these lies out at every turn.

I am a Christian.
Jesus Christ died for my sins.
He rose from the dead, conquering death and opening for me the reality of eternal life.
Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour.

[pgkdan]

Whose job is it to say that the Koran has “100 percent man-made material” written all over it? That question requires an essay all to itself, but one observation seems in order here: it should most probably not be the pope or any other prominent churchman for the obvious reason that authoritative Church statements are the most likely to invite retaliation against Christians living in Muslim lands.

That retaliation is already happening all over the islamic world. Crucufixions in Syria, weekly beheadings in Saudi Arabia, mass murder of Christians in Egypt, Iraq, Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan. And the Church remains silent. And our Pope hugs and kisses these vile barbaric savages and calls them his brothers and sisters!!!

[Sergio]

bkmk

[redleghunter]

A good article on a critical view of the Koran. Which leads me to wonder why the modern Popes and others in the Roman Catholic church continue to placate the Muslims.

From EWTN:

In the Koran, the holy name of the Blessed Virgin Mary is mentioned no less than thirty times. No other woman's name is even mentioned, not even that of Mohammed's daughter, Fatima. Among men, only Abraham, Moses, and Noah are mentioned more times than Our Lady. In the Koran, Our Blessed Mother is described as "Virgin, ever Virgin." The Islamic belief in the virginity of Mary puts to shame the heretical beliefs of those who call themselves Christian, while denying the perpetual virginity of Mary. Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!(OUR LADY AND ISLAM: HEAVEN’S PEACE PLAN Fr Ladis J. Cizik, Blue Army National Executive Director)

OUR LADY AND ISLAM: HEAVEN’S PEACE PLAN

[JDoutrider]

for later review...

[cloudmountain]

There have ALWAYS been conquerors who have used religion/faith as a tool. Nothing has changed.

As A. Lincoln said, human behavior can be modified to some extent but human nature cannot be changed.

[boatbums]

Thanks for posting a thread we can ALL agree on. ☺