Posted on 05/28/2014 5:50:04 AM PDT by WVKayaker
So I take it you don't bother yourself with works of charity much.
You got a problem with what is written in Scripture take it up with God, not me.
Insofar as any qualification for entering Heaven ALL works, including charitable ones, are filthy rags.
That’s not what I asked.
Unfortunately the protestant has become so secularized that the notion of works of charity or the theological virtues has been lost to them. The protestant today tells the beggar to get a job. That is the extent of their charity.
I think the great White Throne Judgment takes them into account if they truly are good works. Giving ‘suck’ to satan are not good works, even if meant well, of course.
No, I am asking all Christians whether Protestant or Catholic to stop and think about the spirit these "religion" threads are being done in and what the real goal is and who it really is serving in the long run because if it is causing hatred instead of learning it is not from God.
Believe me I will be glad to stay off your "religion" threads, as I have mostly in the past, if I have stepped on toes for pointing out how wrong the spirit is here then so be it, it was desperately needed. I want no part of this evil that delights in divisiveness and hatred....continue to call Christians unsaved or heretics on your own.
Anyway, let me take a stab at that works idea. Good works are fine, in and of themselves. The filthy rags idea, does not mean that there is no good in man, it simply means there is no good in man that can please God for salvation purposes. Other than that, good works are good, we should all walk in them. There, you have my humble opinion.
BTW, I went to St James Catholic high school in Grand Forks. My mother went to the public school, Grand Forks Central, so I had no iron in the fire, but I was upset when Grand Forks Central bowed to PC, and changed their nickname from the Redskins to the Knights. I hate PC, and Bismarck won the state high school hockey championship. Go Blackhawks. Later.
Well, neither do I, Hitler may have made it to Heaven. My money doesn’t go that way, though.
And it doesn’t go that way for other historical characters, too, Including some Popes
Utter nonsense.
Really? Then how come every protestant I talk to, when presented with an opportunity to do a charitable work instead uses it as an opportunity to conduct a secular, social engineering experiment? In other words, they won't give the beggar a dollar, but drag the beggar around and force them to do their bidding in order to get some food. It's social engineering/conditioning of a perverse sort and it's not charity and it's not Christian.
The protestant adopts this attitude because they've been conditioned by a secular society to regard the beggar as a scam artist and they bought into it.
My goal is the salvation of my soul. You want to light a candle for me at mass then go right ahead and thank you. It is your blindness I protest.
When I was a teenage girl growing up in one of the most strict Protestant churches there is outside the Amish I remember sitting in Sunday school class one Sunday morning being told why every Catholic was going to hell, that not a single one would be saved.
I was horrified. I thought it one of the most arrogant, blind stupid things a person could say. How the heck did he know for sure what God was going to do with Catholics when my "Bible" said to be saved you needed to believe in Jesus and be baptized. Even I knew that Catholics met that criteria even with all the extras that are not Biblical.
Here I sit horrified once again at the all knowing arrogance of a man. What makes you any different than that blind Sunday school teacher...oh that is right a different institution, your institution is the only one with a direct line from God and thus the only that can read and interpret the Bible so it makes the implication ok? Gee, he thought the same thing about his institution.
No to you both. I will serve the Lord with all my heart, point out what is Biblicaly not correct if needed and let people like you and that Sunday school teacher tell each other your are going to hell....gross.
As I taught older ones. Same question, how do we show God that we love him?(He does not need our affirmation) If the teachers have been doing their jobs, then by 7th and 8th grade the answers are the Corporal and Spiritual Acts of Mercy. If they have not done their job. It's where I began.
Wrong analogy...Wrong question...You should have told them to pretend they are adopted by their parents...And then ask them what they needed to do to get adopted...
And for the kicker, you should have asked them if they could ever be un-adopted...
You have completely missed the point. I am not responsible for you. Have a good night.
That “institution” is the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Institued by Christ to lead his flock to all Truth through the power of the Holy Spirit.
For 2,000 years The Catholic Church has been preserved from error on orders from God and exists to this day to preach and teach those here now and the generations to come.
There is no bible for you to critique the Church without the Church. And because The Church is part of the Body of Christ it reflects Christ’s mercy for the salvation of the ignorant. Even when the protestant does not. One can be assured of the true Church by that alone. Who cares for those who through no fault of their own do not know Christ? The Catholic Church does.
God desires everyone to come to Him and to realize the fullness of Truth. The Truth is not to be found amongst the myriad of individual scriptural interpretation.
P.S. those “extras” you refer are the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist. Not something I would dismiss lightly.
Pure conjecture based on nothing...
When we look carefully at the teaching of Scripture, we see that the sign of the covenant was applied to infants prior to Christ, and presumably continued to be applied to them when Jesus changed it to baptism.
Nah, different covenant...Went from the law to simple belief (faith)
And when we look closely at the household baptisms described in Acts, there can be little doubt but that infants were commonly baptized in the apostolic church.
Nope again...Every one of the scriptures that speaks of households being saved had the requirement of repentance for all the household members except one where the issue wasn't discussed...No repentance; no salvation, no baptism...
They were baptized then, and they should be baptized now, on the basis of God’s promise to bless the children of believers. The faith of a parent qualifies a child to be baptized and raised as a disciple of Jesus.
Naw, that's just a result of the ignorance of scripture...Babies can not sin if there is no knowledge of sin in their minds...There is no judgmental sin attributed to babies...That is just a ploy by the Catholic religion to scare Catholics into putting their trust into the Catholic clergy instead of Jesus Christ...Bible calls that bondage...
But I don't mind that you guys believe this junk but what gets me is you try to connect the false teachings of your religion with the bible...You make things up about the scriptures, just as you just did...You add words to make the scripture say things that are not true...
Some Catholic on this thread claimed that the bible says, 'your are Peter and upon you, I will build my church'...That's not scripture...So is that ignorance of scripture or an outright lie???
No one converts to God's church...God adds people to his church when they believe on the one he sent and take him as their Savior...
Blasphemy!!
I see yer fittin' right in...
God introduced salvation to the world through his chosen people, the Jews. God’s revelation to the Jews found its fulfillment in Christ, the Messiah, who established the Catholic Church. The grace necessary for salvation continues to come from Christ, through his Church. Those who innocently do not know and embrace this might still attain salvation but those who knowingly and willingly choose to reject it, reject salvation on God’s terms.
The Catechism (once again quoting Lumen Gentium) summarizes all this as follows:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. (CCC 846)
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