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To: daniel1212

Yes I understand that is my position.


444 posted on 06/01/2014 5:30:50 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven
The issue is not the warrant for the teaching office, and for synods to settle disputes, which Westminster itself affirms as being Scriptural, but that an infallible magisterium is essential for this, for determination of assurance of Truth. Do you understand this is your position?

Yes I understand that is my position.

That an infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth is indeed the premise behind the RC rejection of "private interpretation" (which means apart from the infallible magisterium), and which argues that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that Rome is that assuredly infallible magisterium.

However, if so then how could any souls before Christ have assurance that Elijah or John were prophets, and that Jesus indeed the very Christ? How could both writings and men of God be recognized as being so before there was a church in Rome?

But if an infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth, and the stewards of Scripture are it, then it follows that the church began upon a faulty foundation, as the church actually began in dissent from those who sat in the seat of Moses over Israel, who were the historical instruments and stewards of Scripture, and inheritors of promises of Divine guidance, presence and perpetuation, (Lv. 10:11; Dt. 4:31; 17:8-13; Is. 41:10, Ps. 89:33,34) following an itinerant Preacher who reproved them by Scripture, (Mk. 7:2-16) and established His Truth claims upon scriptural substantiation in word and in power, as did the early church as it began upon this basis. (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.)

The fact is that it is abundantly evidenced that Scripture was the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God.

And which testifies (Lk. 24:27,44, etc.) to writings of God (like men of God) being recognized and established as being so (essentially due to their unique and enduring heavenly qualities and attestation), and thus they materially provide for a canon of Scripture (as well as for reason, the church, etc.)

Do you understand the problems with your position?

445 posted on 06/01/2014 1:46:46 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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