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To: ravenwolf

Sadly, too many have no idea what the feasts represent like first fruits- or when they are or what a new moon day is/was.. Jews are as much at fault for they have conformed themselves to the world in many respects too and have failed as a holy, set apart nation of priests.

But as gentile believers we have many who say He fulfills the feasts and set times.. and then go about and not even mark those as times that are special..

We kind of sort of know about passover but all of Torah is amazing for a believer to study.. I spent more time in Leviticus 23 than in anything when asking, seeking and knocking :)
It is a template for the Messiah’s entire life, death and His return..

Those feasts are construed as ‘Jewish feasts’ but everything the Jews endured and were taught were rehearsals for the coming of their king and the kingdom and us gentiles could learn a lot from them.. and maybe even teach the Jews something that could provoke them to jealousy..

I wonder now if Jews wonder why the day of atonement is on the 10th day of the seventh month? Or why scripture says to circumcise your male on the 8th day? Or why there were ceremonies and banquets of the ‘new moon day’? Or why a male babe must wait 40 days to be dedicated to the temple?

All of those were ordinances and rules in Torah and it’s because everything in ‘The Word’ points to ‘The Word’ that became flesh!

New moons, Sabbaths and set feasts are rehearsals and confirmation that the messiah has indeed come and will come again and all of these will be restored..

From study and His grace I have come to see the Messiah set days as ‘findable’ amd seachable’

Messiah was born, according to scripture, on the new moon day (1st day) of the 6th month of His calendar- under the sign in the sky of Virgo,when the new moon was under her feet..(revelation 12 is a zodiac sign)

Messiah was circumcised, then, on the 8th day of the month according to Torah, which is a seventh day sabbath, and by the prophets, who were given the template in Ezekiel 46:1, as told by our Heavenly Father:
Day 1 of month- new moon day
Day 2-7 of month, six work days
Day 8 of month, seventh day sabbath (pattern would then be the 15th,22nd and 29th days as Sabbaths in His months)

Messiah and His mother, Miriam, had to wait another 33 days before her purification was done, according to Torah.

Male babies at 40 days, per Torah, were to be dedicated to the temple.

It just so happens that 40 days after the Messiah was born falls exactly on the 10th day of the 7th month. According to Torah, that day is Yom Kippurl or the Day of Atonement!
There are ‘hints’ to these in the new testament..
And at the tender age of 45 days, He would have celebrated His first Tabernacles and ‘dwelt’ among them..

And at the age of 30, our Messiah was baptized to begin His ministry. If we follow the story, He then went into the wilderness for 40 days and nights.

(Which is the same amount of time of purification between His birth and His dedication to the temple)
The Jews as a matter of fact, have a ‘40 days of awe’ that begins on the first day of the 6th month and ends on the Day of Atonement(Yom Kippur) on the 10th day of atonement..

Jews note it is because of Moses on the mountain but if we are believers in the Word that became flesh, The Word all points to the Messiah ultimately and it corresponds to His 40 days of purification at His birth and the 40 days of purification in the wilderness..

And then, we of course have His entry, death , burial and resurrection that follows exactly as Torah says.

Death on the 14th, rested (even in death He rested on the Sabbath) on the 15th, and was raised the third day( 16th day-first day of the week, after the 7th day Sabbath, which is a High sabbath in scripture) which is the feast of first fruits - why Paul called Him the first fruits of those who sleep..

I can tell you, without study of His full Word and His Help, I would not know any of this.but complete faith in His Truth is what I was asking for.. not what people told me to believe..

With studying His calendar and timekeeping and comparing it to today’s calculated calendars, I saw he importance of the new moons, sabbaths and set feasts to what our Heavenly Father was giving to Israel and to us and how the Messiah in his life, death, resurrection and return, is truly the Savior of the Whole world- and I can back it up with what the Bereans used, Torah and the prophets..

And you just don’t get that from the church. They seem to have substituted their own savior for His.. with a substitute birth day, death day, and resurrection day...even his name is a substitute... Worship in Spirit and Truth?

That worries me greatly..and it didn’t two years ago before I asked, sought and knocked..

Today, I can defend my faith in the Messiah of Israel.. I am not so sure I can defend the savior of today’s church,.


38 posted on 05/31/2014 9:23:16 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante

They seem to have substituted their own savior for His.. with a substitute birth day, death day,


I can assume that the ones who say that Jesus was born on the 25th of December are probably wrong but many admit they do not know.

As for resting on the Sabbath and raising on the first day of the week, most will say that Jesus was raised on the first day of the week, but I have not heard any one say that he rested on the Sabbath.

We kind of sort of know about passover but all of Torah is amazing for a believer to study.. I spent more time in Leviticus 23 than in anything when asking, seeking and knocking :)
It is a template for the Messiah’s entire life, death and His return..>>>>>

I have no doubt that the things you have said explain many things.

But you may have heard the saying G.P.C. (go preach Christ or go plant corn)

I believe most people including my self were told to go plant corn.

To put it plain, what you are saying is not simple to me at all but what Jesus said is simple, so I will just have to take your word for it as you seem to know where you are coming from.

I have read the O.T enough to know that God rested on the seventh day and called it the Sabbath rest and it is said to be an ever lasting commandment.

It is also history and I do not think we can change history.

So that was my reason for disputing the so called Christian Sabbath.


39 posted on 05/31/2014 11:01:39 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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