[piusv]

The silence on the subject from those in the Church presenting themselves as traditionalists suggests that they have not seen the connection between the success of Darwinism and the Modernist destruction of orthodoxy — or are they too intimidated by scientism?

I tend to think that the reason why most of us don't focus on it is because, although the Modernists in the Catholic Church have encouraged/supported the theory of evolution, they have not made it official Church doctrine. Our focus tends to be on Vatican II because it is there where we find formal contradictions with Traditional Catholic theology. I may be wrong, but I do not think evolution is even mentioned in those documents at all.

That is not to say that we don't find issues with evolution and I agree that it does contradict Traditional Catholic beliefs. I'm not sure that I agree that evolution is what initiated and caused Modernism in the Church, but I do think that it is at least another example of how Modernism has crept into the Church.

I will look further into Traditional views on evolution and its connection with Modernism.

[Zionist Conspirator]

I tend to think that the reason why most of us don't focus on it is because, although the Modernists in the Catholic Church have encouraged/supported the theory of evolution, they have not made it official Church doctrine. Our focus tends to be on Vatican II because it is there where we find formal contradictions with Traditional Catholic theology. I may be wrong, but I do not think evolution is even mentioned in those documents at all.

Kindly see posts #4 and #14 (posters pinged). These people claim that Catholicism is opposed to the literal interpretation of Genesis. One says that there is no "patristic consensus" on creation vs. evolution. That is not true (it's the worst sort of historical revisionism). The "the fathers never actually taught that" line was invented because "we now know" that the early chapters of Genesis aren't literal history. This and social prejudice against the people associated with Biblical literalism is the totality of the source of these claims.

Don't tell me you don't believe in evolution. Don't tell me you believe evolution is contrary to Catholicism. Tell THEM. And tell any other co-religionist who mouths off with the same revisionist claims.

I'm trying to get you people to discuss this issue among yourselves. I'm trying to get you to see that there are Catholics (in fact, the majority) who actually claim that a belief in literal six day young earth creationism is actually forbidden by the Catholic Church. When they say this, respond, consarn it!!!