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To: cloudmountain
SO odd that Protestants believe in the Scripture that the Catholic Church collated, and if ANYTHING isn't there, then it's not considered valid to them. I just think that is odd. So once again the "the Catholic Church gave you the Bible, so she is what you must follow" polemic is employed when faced with the absence of Scriptural warrant for her traditions.

This is the standard RC recourse, the argument being that the stewards of Scripture are the infallible interpreters of it, but for clarification please answer the questions in post #8 above .

36 posted on 06/15/2014 10:30:42 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
So once again the "the Catholic Church gave you the Bible, so she is what you must follow" polemic is employed when faced with the absence of Scriptural warrant for her traditions.
This is the standard RC recourse, the argument being that the stewards of Scripture are the infallible interpreters of it, but for clarification please answer the questions in post #8 above

Polemic? Where does our Lord's words in the Catholic Mass use "polemic"? I've never heard it. I used to watch the T.V. evangelicals use it...but that was a long time ago.

At the Last Supper Jesus did say to the Twelve: "Do this in memory of Me." Without the Church there would have been no handing down of Jesus's life, death and resurrection.

From Wikipedia:

Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "When, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."

This doctrine was defined dogmatically in the First Vatican Council of 1869–1870, but had been defended before that, existing already in medieval theology and being the majority opinion at the time of the Counter-Reformation.

According to Catholic theology, there are several concepts important to the understanding of infallible, divine revelation: Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Sacred Magisterium.

The infallible teachings of the Pope are part of the Sacred Magisterium, which also consists of ecumenical councils and the "...ordinary and universal magisterium."

In Catholic theology, papal infallibility is one of the channels of the infallibility of the Church. The infallible teachings of the Pope must be based on, or at least not contradict, Sacred Tradition or Sacred Scripture.

The doctrine of infallibility relies on one of the cornerstones of Catholic dogma: that of Petrine supremacy of the pope, and his authority as the ruling agent who decides what is accepted as formal beliefs in the Roman Catholic Church.

The Church has been around a LOT longer than the 16th century FIRST PROTESTANT defrocked reformer FATHER Martin Luther.
What are Protestants protesting today?

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All argument/discussion aside: God bless you and your family on this Father's Day.

41 posted on 06/15/2014 10:58:31 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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