[matthewrobertolson]

Stop repeating this moronic statement. The OT was in existance thousands of years before Constantine. The apostles quoted from it, taught from it, believed it, preached from it ... Only Roman Catholic arrogance assumes there was no Bible without the mother ship. - dartuser

It took the Jews thousands of years (and after the advent of Christianity) to decide on the Tanakh (their canon) and, even then, “Hellenistic” Jews preferred the Septuagint! The only reason that we know which books comprise the Testaments is that the Church has informed us. If the Church, as Her own entity, is not infallible on such doctrine, then the Bible cannot be trusted.

[dartuser]

The only reason that we know which books comprise the Testaments is that the Church has informed us.

And you have it exactly backwards ... the church didn't determine the canon, God did, by inspiring the writing. The only job left was to recognize which books were inspired ... and the church did just fine long before Rome came along. Peter recognized Paul's writings were scripture, he didn't need some church council to tell him Ephesians was inspired.

The early church used Pauls writings, preached them, read them, studied them ... long before the 300+ AD councils ... by the time Rome recognized the canon they could only agree with all the other churches ... so it was the equivalent of shouting "Me too!"

They came late to the party but continue to claim they were the first ones to arrive.