Posted on 06/22/2014 2:42:07 PM PDT by NYer
Well put!
It will be our secret.
“If you meant something different you should have written something different.”
One typo does not negate a consistent argument made across multiple posts on a single thread. No sane person would think I was arguing priests are inherently superior to married men as marriage counselors, since that was the argument of the article that I was taking issue with. Further, your reply made it clear you understood my point as I intended, since you quoted my sentence:
“Really? Someone who is not married is superior in discussing marriage to a married counselor?”
In response you wrote, “Really is it now a requirement that ALL marriage counselors be married? When did this law pass? Is it just for your state or all states?”
That is not, in any way or in any post, what I said. You constructed a straw man to attack and pretended I was arguing that marriage counselors MUST be married. You knew what I wrote, and you deliberately argued about something I NEVER wrote. I’ll let others determine the truthfulness of your response.
“But for those married couples who do recognize that spritual component they will seek out those whose calling had lead them to perfect their love of Christ. Agape is superior to eros.”
Odd. I thought ALL CHRISTIANS were called to perfect their love of Christ. Indeed, God Himself has predestined us ALL to be conformed to the image of His Son. Further, according to the Word of God, we are ALL priests, offering sacrifices of thanksgiving, good deeds, etc.
There are no priests at all in the New Testament, under the New Covenant, apart from Jesus as High Priest and ALL believers.
Of course, there are some who in their earthly existence are given positions of responsibility, but then, both of those offices say their holders are to be husbands of one wife, and the author of this article rejects what God has revealed.
The only debate is if a single man could be a deacon or elder, since one of the qualifications of each is to be married. But then, since the office of priest does not exist in scripture, I suppose there is no harm in making up one’s own rules for one’s own office, unrestrained by God’s divine revelation to man.
The idea that celibacy draws one closer to God than marriage is a pagan idea. But then, so are priests who offer a sacrifice of Jesus again and again and again...
So are you suggesting that the Catholic Church force all priests to be married? Because unless all priests are married, a "married clergy" does not prevent such a thing. It will still happen.
If it is a choice to marry or not, then considering the power that the gays have in the seminaries, you would still find the heteros leaving the seminaries and leaving us with gay clergy or gay sympathetic clergy anyway.
Homosexuals in the priesthood is the main issue. Not celibacy. I don't normally bother with the latter topic.
Um, you need to read Goodbye, Good Men.
http://www.amazon.com/Goodbye-Good-Men-Liberals-Corruption/dp/0895261448
Not sure why can't get this to be clickable.
When you use HTML in your posts, such as italicizing words, the automatic hyperlink feature is disabled. So to make links clickable, you need to avoid using HTML anywhere in a post or use HTML to link to an URL.
I have avoided using HTML in this post so your link now becomes clickable.
http://www.amazon.com/Goodbye-Good-Men-Liberals-Corruption/dp/0895261448
Thank you for that! I find the posting here a bit picky/difficult.
There are people called to remain celibate and devote themselves to serving God. That is fine. But their celibacy does not make them superior as marriage counselors. In fact, it raises some question about whether God accepts them for an office in the Church, since the list of qualifications DOES include marriage. I personally, using my own personal interpretation of scripture, believe they ARE allowed, although an exception to the rule. But it certainly is hard to argue that the exception to the rule has become the rule, and the rule has become the exception...
“Therefore an overseer [episkopes] must be above reproach, the husband of one wife...He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church?”
“Let deacons [diakonous] each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well.”
Really the Bible is pretty plain about this. Even the Apostle Peter was married as were many OT prophets and men of God. Paul gave his opinion and stated it was just his opinion that being unmarried would be less cumbersome. That is obvious but NOWHERE was it a requirement. When these are pointed out I hear we are anti-Catholic. No we are pro-Bible. This is the Word of God versus the word of some men in Rome. Every verse a Catholic quoted me on this thread only makes my point and agrees with my position!
You’re welcome. It took me a few months to figure it out even though it’s in the posting guidelines.
I don’t see what the big deal is; for Mary set the example!
I...
must...
resist...
Is there an easy link to the guidelines? Whenever I look for the rules, etc. on the page, I can’t seem to find a way to pull them up.
Says the person whose chosen religion had a little thing called the Inquisition...
Let's try some easy math:
There are approximately 1.2 billion Catholics world wide;
If merely 1% of them 'ask' Mary for help just once each day;
that means that 12 million separate prayers are headed Mary's direction every day.
Given that there are 86,400 seconds per day... (24 hours times 60 minutes times 60 seconds)
...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second!
Purty good fer someone NOT 'devine'!
ALL churches?
Even those 7 CATHOLIC ones mentioned in Revelation?
Mary; now this kid of yours has wandered off and probably gone back to the Temple.
Can't you control Him?
After all; it's been 12 years now since...
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