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Where the Christian Right Is Strong (national map included)
The New York Times ^ | July 2, 2014

Posted on 07/02/2014 5:05:48 PM PDT by Faith Presses On

The religious right remains one of the most potent forces in American politics, but Northeasterners could be forgiven for forgetting. Evangelical Christians and Mormons, the two religious groups who most consistently espouse conservative political and cultural views, are basically absent in the Northeastern corridor.

The map shows the number of regular Evangelical Christian or Mormon congregation members, as reported by religious bodies. The data, therefore, does not include every Mormon or Evangelical Christian in the country. Black Protestant denominations are a separate category from other Evangelical Protestant denominations in this data set, and are not represented on this map.

The map does not neatly represent the religious right, either. There are many religious and cultural conservatives who do not regularly attend church, perhaps especially in West Virginia, where reported attendance is unusually low.

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
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1 posted on 07/02/2014 5:05:48 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: Faith Presses On

This map is misleading.

As an example, Duval county Florida is dark purple with 32%, while neighboring Clay county is only 27% (medium purple).

Many of Duval county’s evangelicals are black and vote for Corrine Brown and Bathhouse Barry. Most of Clay county’s evangelicals are strong Conservatives and wouldn’t p!ss on Brown and Barry if they were on fire!


2 posted on 07/02/2014 5:10:32 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: Faith Presses On

am moving to Tyler texas, which Glad to see seems to be the best color out there


3 posted on 07/02/2014 5:10:37 PM PDT by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings)
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To: Faith Presses On

What’s an Evangelical?

I’ve been wanting to know that since the Left invented that term 10 years ago to refer to Christians of some sort.


4 posted on 07/02/2014 5:12:22 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

Seems rather strange to combine evangicals and mormons and leave out all others.


5 posted on 07/02/2014 5:16:42 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Bryanw92

Yup, these maps usually are.


6 posted on 07/02/2014 5:16:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: AlmaKing
"...since the Left invented that term 10 years ago to refer to Christians of some sort."

Oh stop.
It's a term from the 1500's to designate Christian churches that emphasize the teachings and authority of the Scriptures, as opposed to the institutional "authority" of the Church machine.
And stressing that salvation is achieved (only) by personal faith in Jesus Christ as savior.

7 posted on 07/02/2014 5:24:43 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Bryanw92

There are few inconsistencies if you do a side-by-side comparison with the red/blue political map. Nonetheless, I place little stock in these types of maps anymore.


8 posted on 07/02/2014 5:26:09 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: AlmaKing
“What’s an Evangelical?

I’ve been wanting to know that since the Left invented that term 10 years ago to refer to Christians of some sort.”

I am sure neither the author nor anyone else at the NYT knows what an Evangelical or a devout Christian is.

They just make up things like this to insult and ridicule people of faith.

9 posted on 07/02/2014 5:28:12 PM PDT by detective
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To: Faith Presses On

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14


10 posted on 07/02/2014 5:28:49 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Bryanw92

Good point.


11 posted on 07/02/2014 5:29:17 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Faith Presses On

My area is white (less than 10%) and while I’d agree it’s a little lost spiritually, it’s got a lot of Christians.

I’m proud to say Pasco county FL, did NOT vote for Obama for EITHER presidential election. We were smarter than that.


12 posted on 07/02/2014 5:30:31 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Kirkwood
"Seems rather strange to combine evangicals and mormons and leave out all others."

I think it's for political reasons and not "faith".
Typically "Evangelicals" are social conservatives like Mormons - as opposed to mainline Protestant churches (Episcopal, Presbeterian, etc) that are pretty-much sold out to the Liberal agenda.
And I guess Roman Catholics, although the Church is officially pro-life, pro-family, etc, many of the adherents are socially liberal (except Freepers, of course).

13 posted on 07/02/2014 5:30:39 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: I still care

Maybe I’d better make that clearer. Colored white as part of the key meaning that it is NOT considered evangelical.


14 posted on 07/02/2014 5:31:28 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Kirkwood

Evangelicals believe in the great commission Jesus gave us.

“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Mormons are not Christians. Catholics and Protestants believe in the Trinity. Mormons do not.

Mormons do not believe in the same god as Christians. Their Mormon book is totally different the the bible. They believe they will live on different planets and if good enough, get there own planet to run when they die.


15 posted on 07/02/2014 5:32:12 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Faith Presses On

Does it concern anyone when the left, whose number one enemy is Christians, is mapping out where we live?


16 posted on 07/02/2014 5:37:32 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Bryanw92

I wonder why Bledsoe Co., Tennessee, is lighter than the counties around it. Its voting record in 2008 was similar to the countries around it (roughly 2-1 for McCain over Obama). I don’t have the 2012 figures handy.


17 posted on 07/02/2014 5:41:13 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Linda Frances; Kirkwood
Mormons are not Christians. Catholics and Protestants believe in the Trinity. Mormons do not.

I think it safer to say Mormons are not mainstream Christians. Belief in the Trinity is not a condition for salvation and scriptural support for the Trinity is not as strong as many assume it to be.

18 posted on 07/02/2014 5:41:37 PM PDT by fso301
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To: bestintxas
am moving to Tyler texas, which Glad to see seems to be the best color out there

Home base of "Scary Gary" North.

19 posted on 07/02/2014 5:43:20 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Psalm 73
Catholics are split between liberals and conservatives. Probably they left them out because there was no easy way to identify which Catholics were which, whereas the Evangelical Protestants and Mormons were more uniform and easier to identify.

The main Protestant church in Germany (Lutheran/Calvinist) is called evangelisch.

20 posted on 07/02/2014 5:46:26 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Faith Presses On

My county in Tennessee is 62% Evangelical Christian! The other 38% must be Democrats.


21 posted on 07/02/2014 5:46:32 PM PDT by Tennessee Conservative
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To: fso301

What Protestant church doesn’t believe in the Trinity? I think to be of the same faith you must believe in the same God.


22 posted on 07/02/2014 5:58:15 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Psalm 73
Whatever you say.

Jesus had Peter set up the Church.

Some German Apostate came along and gummed up the works about 1500 years later.

Homosexuals and lesbians abound in the "clergy" spawned by Luther.

23 posted on 07/02/2014 5:59:07 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Drango

Not likely


24 posted on 07/02/2014 6:00:53 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Faith Presses On

Even though we are traditional Catholics and kind of “fit with” the evangelicals as far as voting behavior goes, the map doesn’t include us (although the author points out the situation in text). BTW, I would never want to live in one of those southeastern states with counties that are five feet wide. Here the counties can be 100 miles in a dimension (correlating inversely with population).


25 posted on 07/02/2014 6:08:44 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Linda Frances
What Protestant church doesn’t believe in the Trinity? I think to be of the same faith you must believe in the same God.

I'm not aware of a Protestant church that doesn't believe in the Trinity but Protestant merely means their lineage traces back to Catholicism and Catholicism if I remember correctly is where the doctrine was formalized.

While a particular church may require belief in the Trinity as a condition for membership, saying such belief is a requirement for salvation would be unbiblical.

26 posted on 07/02/2014 6:10:40 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Linda Frances

‘What Protestant church doesn’t believe in the Trinity? I think to be of the same faith you must believe in the same God....’

I have questioned this for years. Unitarians call themselves Christians, yet they are mostly an agnostic group, I believe. What about Seventh Day Adventists? Jehovah’s Witnesses - not Christians at all, right?


27 posted on 07/02/2014 6:13:58 PM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: Rome2000
"Homosexuals and lesbians abound in the "clergy" spawned by Luther."

Sure. No homos in The Roman Catholic clergy.
OK, pal.

28 posted on 07/02/2014 6:14:05 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Gumdrop; Linda Frances
I have questioned this for years. Unitarians call themselves Christians, yet they are mostly an agnostic group, I believe. What about Seventh Day Adventists? Jehovah’s Witnesses - not Christians at all, right?

What do you believe to be a person's requirement for salvation?

29 posted on 07/02/2014 6:22:10 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Psalm 73
Plenty of homosexuals in the Catholic Church but they aren't "Proud and Loud"


30 posted on 07/02/2014 6:26:14 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Faith Presses On

That explains my Oklahaman grandfather.


31 posted on 07/02/2014 6:32:17 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: fso301

Sounds like you studied theology. I should say mainline Protestants believe in The Trinity. I have a cousin who mixes Far East religions and christianty and calls herself christian, she’s not. I don’t know anything about the other religions you mentioned. I know some about mormons from FR.


32 posted on 07/02/2014 6:39:15 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances
I should say mainline Protestants believe in The Trinity.

I agree but do question the importance of a doctrine not mentioned in the bible and that wasn't formalized until well after the scriptures had been closed?

I have a cousin who mixes Far East religions and christianty and calls herself christian, she’s not.

Same issue with Masons. People who are Masons may call themselves Christians and faithfully show up every Sunday morning at (insert church name) then later head off to the Masonic lodge/temple. A person watching these Masons could become suspicious that they may have some doubts about Christ's sacrifice.

I don’t know anything about the other religions you mentioned. I know some about mormons from FR.

I personally consider anyone who believes in Christ's sacrifice to be a Christian. Beyond that, we get into categories of Christian such as those who believe in Christ's sacrifice AND try to live in accordance with scripture, etc, etc, etc.

33 posted on 07/02/2014 6:58:40 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Faith Presses On

The atheists and godless vote for Democrats.


34 posted on 07/02/2014 7:06:19 PM PDT by kaehurowing (FIGHT BULLYING, UNINSTALL FIREFOX)
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To: fso301

What do you believe to be a person’s requirement for salvation?

Gods word convicts us of our sins, we must acknowledge our sins, repent and believe and accept Jesus death on the cross as payment for our sins, turn from our sins and we will be saved. We are saved by grace and not works.


35 posted on 07/02/2014 7:22:02 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances
Gods word convicts us of our sins, we must acknowledge our sins, repent and believe and accept Jesus death on the cross as payment for our sins, turn from our sins and we will be saved. We are saved by grace and not works.

I agree.

36 posted on 07/02/2014 7:36:18 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Bryanw92

People will have to go to the source to see the map. It won’t post here.


37 posted on 07/02/2014 8:08:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Rome2000

Source and authority for that statement?


38 posted on 07/02/2014 8:10:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Linda Frances

Why are you telling me this?


39 posted on 07/02/2014 8:32:49 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Faith Presses On
Where the Christian Right Is Strong...I have to say that because of his history I find the whole Jimmy Swaggart operation repulsive and rarely watch his programs which run almost every day most of the day on one of our cable for lease channels - but this morning I happened to catch one member of his crew- maybe his son - in an impassioned and compelling lecture on why people should get out and vote and stand up for their views - apparently set off by a caller, the man emphasized that no one has a right to complain about anything in government if he or she doesn't bother to vote - that too many people find some excuse for not voting and then are resentful and petulant about the outcome - and that people have to learn to stand up to disagreement and controversy - too many keep their mouths shut rather than face the unpleasantness of someone challenging them - "I could care less if someone doesn't like what I say; if I know what I believe and why I believe it, it doesn't bother me what they say" - maybe I'll have to start watching more often.....
40 posted on 07/02/2014 9:10:01 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Rome2000

Homosexuals and lesbians abound in the “clergy” spawned by Luther.

...oy vey...


41 posted on 07/03/2014 6:48:35 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: Linda Frances

we must acknowledge our sins, repent and believe and accept Jesus death on the cross as payment for our sins, turn from our sins and we will be saved. We are saved by grace and not works.

...repenting from sin and turning against it doesn’t count as a ‘work’...? Do you contend that ‘grace’ is achieved through some involuntary osmotic process, independent of rational choice and subsequent action on that choice...?

...seems to me that ‘action’ and ‘work’ are one and the same...


42 posted on 07/03/2014 7:10:39 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: Salvation

Source and authority for that statement?

...the statement in question consists of two independent clauses...which clause are you requesting to be sourced...?


43 posted on 07/03/2014 7:17:54 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: fso301

To do the will of the Father - as Jesus told us.
“When two or more are gathered together in my name, I am in the midst.”

I believe that if a Catholic and a Protestant are together and they pray Our Lord’s Prayer, the Our Father, He will be in our midst. Do you deny this?

I will pray for all the freepers here because of these divisions, and I hope they will pray for me as well.


44 posted on 07/03/2014 7:22:03 PM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: Gumdrop
I believe that if a Catholic and a Protestant are together and they pray Our Lord’s Prayer, the Our Father, He will be in our midst. Do you deny this?

No. I wish Protestants and Catholics would spend more time focusing on shared beliefs.

45 posted on 07/03/2014 8:10:17 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301; Elsie; Tennessee Nana; Colofornian; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; ...
I think it safer to say Mormons are not mainstream Christians. Belief in the Trinity is not a condition for salvation and scriptural support for the Trinity is not as strong as many assume it to be.

The heretical nature of the Mormonic god and other doctrines is quite clear. http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/JosephSmithVersusJESUS.CHRIST.html

And some fellow FReepers can help you will more.

46 posted on 07/03/2014 9:41:13 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Catholics are split between liberals and conservatives. Probably they left them out because there was no easy way to identify which Catholics were which, whereas the Evangelical Protestants and Mormons were more uniform and easier to identify.

Those Rome counts and treats as members in life and in death are mostly liberal.

40% Roman Catholics vs. 41% Non-R.C. see abortion as "morally acceptable"; Sex between unmarried couples: 67% vs. 57%; Baby out of wedlock: 61% vs. 52%; Homosexual relations: 54% vs. 45%; Gambling: 72% vs. 59% http://www.gallup.com/poll/117154/Catholics-Similar-Mainstream-Abortion-Stem-Cells.aspx


47 posted on 07/03/2014 9:45:11 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: IrishBrigade; Rome2000
Homosexuals and lesbians abound in the “clergy” spawned by Luther.

Only when your definition of Protestant" is so wide you can drive a Unitarians Scientology Swedenborgian 747 thru it, a broad brush RCs would never stand for.

Stats (^ arrow refers to lst ref. source):


48 posted on 07/03/2014 9:49:28 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
The heretical nature of the Mormonic god and other doctrines is quite clear.

I'm not trying to be a Mormon apologist but only God knows who he will and will not save. Within the original context of the sub-thread, I find no scriptural basis for believing salvation to be based upon acceptance of the Trinity. If a person's interpretation of scripture causes them to reject the Trinity, that doesn't mean they aren't saved.

49 posted on 07/03/2014 10:05:50 PM PDT by fso301
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To: detective; AlmaKing; Faith Presses On; Psalm 73
They just make up things like this to insult and ridicule people of faith.

No, it has a rich history, and once was basically the same as "fundamentalist," and denotes a conservative movement, but usually such are defined as being "born again" (which is not necessarily the same), or being in a conservative denom, or with Barna, as holding to certain basic doctrines.

See here http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html#Evangelical

50 posted on 07/03/2014 10:07:33 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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