The Reformers' Hermeneutic: Grammatical, Historical, and Christ-Centered

Reformation Theology ^ | March 23, 2006 | Unknown

[narses]

Why? When you are your own Pope, you can make up whatever you want!

Like the odd views of a poster who claims that Catholics are idolaters, that those who celebrate Easter and Christmas are pagans and that claims that the idea of church on Sunday is a man made tradition and apparently not either Christian or Biblical.

In fact this poster claims ALL organized religions are wrong and that even venerating a simple Cross is pagan. Given that this is the point of view from which he views the world, why should anyone pay attention to his odd, often incomplete and often misread cut-n-pastes?

Some quotes and links as CB now tries to say he didn't say what he said:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2708561/posts?page=29#29

Let the pagans have it. God doesn’t smile down on people who celebrate Easter.

All of the Lent and Easter abomination is pagan and God clearly condemned it in scripture.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-religion/2686288/replies?c=6

[CynicalBear]

>> In NT Greek “Gospel” literally translates to “Good News.”<<

Then please show where that apostles taught the “good news” of Mary’s assumption or any “veneration” of her. If you can't, we are left with their writtings as they are recorded in scripture.

[narses]

Why not show where they did not? Your goofy, self centered religion of One is tiresome and , well, heretical. You truly need help.

[CynicalBear]

>>This coming from an apostate whose claims are that those who celebrate Christmas, Easter and Sunday Worship are “pagan”.<<

“When we give or receive Christmas gifts; or hang green wreaths in our homes and churches, how many of us know that we are probably observing pagan customs...the god, Woden, in Norse Mythology, descends upon the earth yearly between December 25th and January 6th to bless mankind...But pagan though they be, they are beautiful customs. They help inspire us with the spirit of 'good will to men', even as the sublime service of our Church reminds us of the ‘peace on earth’ which the babe of Bethlehem came to bestow” (Externals of the Catholic Church, 140).

[CynicalBear]

>>Why not show where they did not?<<

Scripture.

[narses]

[CynicalBear]

If you think that was wrong then simply show from scripture where they taught it. Perhaps scripture isn’t your forte?

[verga]

Stop with your straw man arguments and going off on tangents. If you are going to say that Gospel; refers only to the "writings/ scripture" than you need to be consistent.

So which one are you wrong about, or is it both?

[verga]

“When we give or receive Christmas gifts; or hang green wreaths in our homes and churches, how many of us know that we are probably observing pagan customs

And when you all write a date on a check or look at a calendar you are doing the same thing.

Can we now expect a rant like that other goof about the Gregorian/ Julian calendar?

[narses]

You are a laf a minute. Your odd views brand you as a lone goofball. For example:

You think that the celebration of the Babylonian “Easter” referenced in Ezekiel 8:14, where women are “weeping for Tammuz” which is a reference to the 40 day period of “mourning” which precedes the Babylonian feast of Easter. It was bishop Victor of Rome in the 2nd Century that ignited the Quartodecimian Controversy by threatening churches in Asia who still were celebrating the resurrection in conjunction with Passover on 14 Nisan. It was still at issue in 325 and 365 CE at the Nicean and Laodicean councils where celebration of Passover in conjunction with the resurrection was made “heretical” by the “church’s” anti-Semitic decree.
Ezekiel 8:13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do. 14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD’s house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

In Jeremiah 7:17-20 you can read what God thinks of people worshiping the “queen of heaven.” In verse 20 God said that His anger and fury shall be poured out upon man, beast, trees of the field and the fruit of the ground. God goes on to say in verse 20 that “it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.” All this for worshiping Ashtoreth which is the Old Testament name for Eastre which is where the word easter comes from. What God is telling us here is that people who know that easter is a pagan festival are not going to receive His blessings if they take part in it. What about going to an easter sunrise service? In Ezekiel 8:15-18 we are told that God thinks that is an abomination. Worshipping the sun is a form of idolatry.

So if you want “scripture” cited and since your odd world “cites” the Holy Writ as above, no one of any sense would try and argue with you, you are left with the certainty that you, alone, have the secrets of the ages. Be happy in your odd little Church of One. But do not pretend to be the adult in the room as you spew such goofy nonsense.

[CynicalBear]

>>Stop with your straw man arguments and going off on tangents.<<

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9

Now, simply show where the apostles taught the assumption and veneration of Mary. Speculation or hearsay doesn’t count. We know what they taught from what they wrote. If you know something they testified to just show it. Should be easy. Or are you saying, like the Mormons and Muslims, that later writings were added?

[CynicalBear]

>>And when you all write a date on a check or look at a calendar you are doing the same thing.<<

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God

Catholics do like to try to obfuscate don’t they? Writing checks and looking at the calendar isn’t part of my worship of God.

[CynicalBear]

Thank you for posting that. You do like to cross thread don’t you? No problem however as folks need to see what the Catholic Church has emulated and incorporated into their practices. Same as the Babylonian pagans. You should bring this up more often so folds will be given the opportunity to do research on their own for the pagan origins of so much of the Catholic religion. God will open the eyes of those He chooses. It’s simply our duty to bring to people’s attention the scripture and you are helping me do that. I thank you for that.

[narses]

“I thank you for that.”

Yeah, now. You used to deny you ever said such nonsense. And rational people understand that reticence. Your new found embrace of your own weirdness is an odd sign of how far your weirdness now goes.

Good luck finding your way back.

[narses]

[CynicalBear]

I simply try to keep it simple for those who can’t think for themselves but need the Catholic Church to tell them what to believe.

[caww]

tsk;)

[narses]

You fail. But you know that, right?

Claiming that the vast majority of Christendom, virtually all of it, by your odd denigration's, are wrong while you are right, all by yourself, makes your case near impossible - but again, you know that, right?

After all, here are the odd views of a poster who claims that Catholics are idolaters, that those who celebrate Easter and Christmas are pagans and that claims that the idea of church on Sunday is a man made tradition and apparently not either Christian or Biblical.

In fact this poster claims ALL organized religions are wrong and that even venerating a simple Cross is pagan. Given that this is the point of view from which he views the world, why should anyone pay attention to his odd, often incomplete and often misread cut-n-pastes?

Some quotes and links as CB now tries to say he didn't say what he said:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2708561/posts?page=29#29

Let the pagans have it. God doesn’t smile down on people who celebrate Easter.

All of the Lent and Easter abomination is pagan and God clearly condemned it in scripture.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-religion/2686288/replies?c=6

[CynicalBear]

In keeping with my previous comment I will try to keep this simple. Show where the apostles instituted the celebration of Easter. Especially the same day as the pagan Easter. Surely you can do that simple thing right?

[narses]

Why pander to a pagan who mocks Christendom?