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To: CTrent1564

So? That doesn’t change the fact that Catholics who think that only “ex cathedra” Papal Statements are infallible are wrong.


67 posted on 07/14/2014 6:41:36 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

piusv:

Again, only infallible teachings are “infallible” There are many statements that the Pope makes that are non-infallible statements, but given they are taught via ordinary magisterium require assent of the will and would require me, even if I disagree with it, to at least keep it silent and not cause schism and division. Clearly the normative teaching is that men who are ordained to Holy Orders come from among non-married men. That is the current teaching, and since it is taught via ordinary magisterium, that is what it is. Nevertheless, one can hold the view that the Church should follow the practice of the Eastern Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Church and ordain married men to serve as Parish priests, Hospital chaplains, etc for to hold such view is not a rejection of a dogma.

Now, there are teachings that are infallible even though there has never been a papal statement issued via an Apostolic Constitution. Humanae vitae, while being an Encyclical, which is not the most definitive Papal Letter or Document, does contain infallible teachings in it on say abortion. That teaching itself is infallible and does not require a Papal Apostolic Constitution issued in a manner similar to the one that defined the Assumption.

It seems we are splitting hairs, it is when the Pope sets out to definitively define an article of faith or morals as definitively to be held as part of the Apostolic Faith that something becomes a Doctrine/Dogma to be held as part of the faith. There are papal statements via ordinary magisterium that reflect the teaching of the Church and reflect the Church’s position on the question or issue at this time, but since the papal statements on such teaching are not expressed with definitely to held as binding, etc, etc, such teachings can be further developed and defined or in some cases, done away with. Celibacy is one of those “teachings that relates to a Discipline” that could be done away with. To say otherwise is to be dishonest.


76 posted on 07/14/2014 7:30:24 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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