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To: NYer; Zionist Conspirator
So, according to this study, Jews have almost the lowest regard for Evangelical Christians of any group surveyed - only atheists have a lower opinion of Evangelicals.

On the other hand, white Evangelicals hold Jews in the highest regard.

I don't think there is a stronger mutual differential between any two groups in the survey.

7 posted on 07/18/2014 6:58:22 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
I've never understood why Jews do this. Evangelicals will plainly tell you they support Israel and Atheists will be the ones spitting on Jews for defending themselves against Hamas. They CONSISTENTLY vote for Dems that HATE JEWS. The Dems are the ones on TV saying we need to cut ties with Israel. Any evangelical will tell you God blesses those that bless Israel and we have been adopted into the family of God. If you are a Christian and hate Jews, you hate God's family and your own brothers.

I've heard of self hating Jews all my life, but I keep praying for them. They are almost all against the Second Amendment, for abortion, and gay marriage. For me, being Jewish is more of a racial term than a religious one. Only Orthodox Jews remotely follow God's teaching. I can't imagine a Jew rejecting a concealed carry permit. A 10 year old Hamas child has an AK 47.

18 posted on 07/18/2014 8:27:03 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: wideawake; Phinneous; All
So, according to this study, Jews have almost the lowest regard for Evangelical Christians of any group surveyed - only atheists have a lower opinion of Evangelicals.

On the other hand, white Evangelicals hold Jews in the highest regard.

I don't think there is a stronger mutual differential between any two groups in the survey.

I agree. It's a scandal, and is illustrated by the different attitudes of "Jewish leadership" to "dialogue" with Catholics/Orthodox and that with Fundamentalists/Evangelicals.

There are two types of anti-chrstianity: one from a pre-chrstian perspective (ie, chrstianity is false and unauthorized an an innovation from what was revealed of old) and post-chrstian anti-chrstianity (the enlightenment/hippie/leftist variety). Traditional Orthodox Jews are anti-chrstian in the first sense; secular/liberal (which unfortunately also overlaps with the Orthodox, especially the "Modern") for the latter. The first type of anti-chrstianity is perfectly legitimate and I hold to it myself. The second is totally illegitimate.

However, when you put the two together, what you get is absolutely no sympathy for Evangelicalism at all. Traditional Orthodox Jews do not view chrstianity in any other way than as heresy, idolatry, and historically its greatest enemy (it is held to have sprung from Esau). Liberal Jews on the other hand (who otherwise are willing to chat with anyone and insist that all religions are equally valid) make Evangelicalism into the straw man representative for everything they oppose about orthodox religion generically ("intolerance," exclusivity of truth, etc.). Between these two attitudes there is simply no one out there (other than a random voice here and there) who defends Evangelical chrstianity. I myself defend it only insofar as it is right, which is mostly its defense of the facticity of the Hebrew Bible. On other areas I am just as opposed. I also oppose ethno-cultural slurs directed against them as I, ethno-culturally, am a "Bible Belt Fundamentalist."

It also must be pointed out that Evangelicals, while laudable in their love and support for Jews and Israel, support them not from a genuine respect for authentic Judaism, but only in the context of their own chrstian religion: ie, they support Jews as a sort of fossilized remnant of "pre-incarnation chrstianity." This is insulting not only to all Jews but to me as well, and I encounter this attitude on FR quite often among philo-Semitic chrstians. Of course, as chrstians by definition must consider the teachings of chrstianity as the ultimate truth, this attitude must be understood. HOWEVER--I do wish that these chrstians would make some attempt to understand why Jews (and Noachides) consider such support to be patronizing and far from ideal.

What liberals refuse to see is that their own "support of Jews" also is not out of any love for authentic Judaism but only as a high-profile "religious minority" whose status as the number one victim of historical chrstian oppression is used as a big stick with which to beat not only chrstianity, but orthodox religion in general. (The post-chrstian anti-chrstianity is in fact the product of rebels within the chrstian community who continue to see chrstianity alone as "religion" and refuse to see any non-chrstian religion as anything that a fellow "victim of chrstian oppression." The fact that they support every other religion against chrstianity, even the most superstitious and reactionary, shows that they still regard only chrstianity as "religion" per excellence. As with the philo-Semitism of Evangelicals, this is patronizing in the extreme and even worse--because at least the Evangelicals still associate Jews with G-d and the Bible, while liberals see them as victims of G-d and the Bible, with apparently no sense of irony whatsoever.)

I hope this post, representing the results of a life time of puzzling over these things, will provide some possible answers to others who scratch their heads at this phenomenon.

25 posted on 07/18/2014 11:08:12 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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