Skip to comments.Should Catholics take a chill pill about Pope Francis?
Posted on 07/18/2014 9:03:34 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
Our friend Mike Voris is suggesting the proper response to Pope Francis style of saying every thought that comes into his head no matter how unwise or unsound is to wait a few days until the Vatican can crack the code and tell us what he meant.
Here is a transcript.
Even if Catholics ignore a year and a half of the consistent messages that moral theology and commandments can be violated and will not result in a judgment and adjudication from Christ, evangelism should be about what should be done with money, the economy, lonely people, teenage unemployment and making sure trees (not women or children)can bear fruit without exploitation, Fr Lombardi has already confirmed that the scandalous things reported captured the essence of what Pope Francis said though is not a precise translation.
Michael seems to be swimming in the river of denial.
Further, and more importantly, how does Michael propose parents explain this new method of catechesis to their children?
Yes honey, I heard the Pope telling the world that the Catholic Church should not make judgments about homosexual sex and other small-minded rules about adultery, contraception, abortion and I know you have not heard him teach any of the things in the Catechism I have been teaching at home, and I know this appears to confirm what Father so and so preaches in the Church we fled -- but we must wait a few days or a few years until Fr Lombardi sends out a press release.
What exactly does Michael think has happened inside of every Catholic home after a year and a half of having Fr. Lombardi say, Ya, that is basically what the Pope said but not a precise translation?
Suggesting to parents that the right action inside of their homes is to ignore and continue to contradict the Pope and their children will get the tools they need for the rest of their life for the salvation of their souls is farcical.
There is a reason why there is a 2000 year history of Popes who adopt the style of not saying every thought that pops into their heads.
With every single vocation each of us accepts, there comes change.
We can no longer be who we are when we accept a vocation.
A woman who takes a husband has to come home and put a meal on the table instead of grabbing a salad and going to the gym. Even though going to the gym after work is very much who she is.
When she becomes a mother, she prepares herself by studying the best practices, she reads, observes, studies and she takes on an entirely new set of habits, discipline and sacrifices.
A man does the same as a husband and a father.
Is Michael now suggesting that vocations do not require the discipline and change that make them succesful?
Pope Francis is teaching us all how to be loosey goosey when we enter into a vocation and we should not inform our children and the people we love about how that road leads to a train wreck?
A priest spends years learning how the sacrifice of celibacy creates an intimate and powerful connection to Christ and how to use the connection and power to crush Satan's head. He surrenders who he is when he lays on the floor on the day of his ordination. He practices the art of discipline and sacrifice.
A priest who finds himself elected to the Chair of Peter requires the ultimate sacrifice of who he is. This change is so ginormous, Christ memorialized it with the practice of changing His Vicar's name, and telling him he is about to be chained and dragged to a place he will not want to go.
Cheapening this vocation as something a man could accept while continuing to act as he pleaseth no matter what the cost is to catechesis, salvation and unity is a terrible disservice to Christ and His Church and needs to be rejected.
We have a duty to preserve the vocation of a Pope, most especially when a current occupant wants to turn it into the adventures of Forest Gump.
Michael Voris, he of the bad combover and of the "only Catholics should be allowed to vote" persuasion. IB4TPWMA
Let him speak, oh please let him speak. As the supposed vicar of Christ, let him speak. What could go wrong. No chill pill needed, anesthesia perhaps, but a chill pill, no.
The author writes as if he took a few chill pills (term originally referred to Quaaludes, now it probably refers to benzos like alprazolam or antidepressants like Brintellix)
video link to this.
this is just bs.
like he can’t tell us exactly what he means when he speaks?
like we have to wait for vatican uppers to explain it?
good grief. what ridiculousness.
he is a plain speaker. yet we somehow need a vatican interpreter to tell us. i just don’t buy this crap trial balloon explanation.
Could be the real problem isn't what those attacking him or defending him think it is . . .
LOL MV. If any of these same things were said by one of your not-so-favorite bishops you’d be all over them like white on rice. But because it’s the pope, he’s the “most misunderstood pope in the history of the Church”.
My oldest is now 14 and my youngest is almost 8, I've waited for all fourteen years for the Church to get her act together. Very soon my children will be out in the world learning that the Church no longer teaches what their father has been teaching them all this time, frankly Francis, I'm terrified.
I recently watched the movie "America". It was great. I highly reccomend it.
The same people who would deny others the right to vote and end religious freedom are the same ones who gave the radical community organizers a base to work from. All of course in the names of "social justice".
Consider going to a Bible centered Evangelical Church. Leave the sacramentalism that separates you and yours from a life changing faith in Christ Alone.
The weakness of a centralized hierarchy is that once error is established at the top there is no stopping it.
The weakness of no centralized hierarchy is endless divisions based on endless different interpretations of Scripture as the past few hundred years have shown.
The best defense is a strong offense. If you have taught your children to be, and they are becoming, warriors for Christ, if you have transmitted the faith, if they pray, “O my Jesus...” with their true hearts, things will be okay.
Not necessarily easy, but okay.
And yet after 2 millennium we still see strong Bible based Evangelical churches sharing The Gospel. A decentralized congregational Christianity will always be overwhelmed by a politically connected centralized hierarchy, but the truth will still remain. In the end the Bible will supersede anything a centralized hierarchy can come up with.
China is terrified of the growing Evangelical Christianity in it's midst and as hard as they try they can't stop it's growth. The Gospel will always overpower institutional control.
The failure of the Pope to rein in the USCCB, not to mention Pelosi, et al, continuing to receive communion (even in the Vatican) indicates there is indeed a problem with hierarchy.
“... indicates there is indeed a problem with hierarchy.”
For faithful Catholics who have been paying attention, there has ALWAYS been a problem with the hierarchy.
Jesus chose twelve. One apostasized altogether. Ten were abject cowards who abandoned Jesus at his greatest need. Only one remained faithful through the worst ordeal, the Crucifixion.
I don't think the percentages have improved markedly since Jesus stopped picking them in person.
The consistent, continuous, scandalous failure of the hierarchy for two thousand years should be a sign to faithful Catholics that the Church is of Divine Institution and under Divine Care and Providence. Else it would have gone out business shortly on Good Friday.
Rejoice, o Catholics! If we are incompetent, stupid, and venial, it means that to God alone is the boast!
I can sympathize. Problem is, almost every religion can make the same claim.
“Problem is, almost every religion can make the same claim.”
Without inviting a big debate (still taking my first sips of coffee this morning), I disagree.
I agree. Just to point out that hierarchy argument is quite weak given the current situation.
Oh yeah, The First Evangelical Variant C11001.23 version 2.3 Block III Church of Turkey Street, right across the street from the Blue Grass Gospel Bar and Grill (and that ain't no joke, I pass that one several times a week).
I know the Pastor. Met him one weekend many years ago when it was my turn to baby sit the drunk tank. He's reformed and doesn't drink now I hear, which is why he broke off from the "Blue Grass Gospel Bar Churches of America" which is itself a recent fragment of the six hundred and sixty six fragments of a subset of the "Bible Subset Alone Hustlers of North Carolina, Inc." created when "Jim and Tammy World" or whatever it was called fell apart.
Although mostly Blue Grass, they open every service with the old Polish Hymn, "I Love Everybody and Everybody Loves Me" but without accordion accompaniment because in spite of being one of the Blue Grass, fragments they don't believe in music during their church services. Only before and after when the bar and grill are open.
(I must say, Christ may have walked past this particular Blue Grass Church when they had that big Grand Opening rush because the original cook made the best redeye gravy I've had in decades. Not water thin with only coffee and little of the fat cooked off the ham, but the cooked off fat still frying pan hot with bits and pieces of ham thickened with some cooked down fatback, but still more the consistancy of cowboy coffee you can stand a spoon up in and not nearly as thick as the weak runny sausage gravy so often passed of an the real deal, either. The problem is that unlike the Pastor, he isn't reformed and he's serving three to five on a drug charge right now. I wonder of God went with him, too. The new cook is a third rate jerk from Newark who can't even boil water without help.)
Sure, people should consider that.
Sorry, relying on the anti-Christ, anti-Christian, Pharisee Approved Luther Subset of Scripture by definition rules out being "Bible centered" in any way, shape, or form.
At best, they're Self and Self Alone Interpreted Luther Subset centered.
"I agree. Just to point out that hierarchy argument is quite weak given the current situation. "
That's a solid test of who the, "Oh ye of little faith" shoe fits like it was custom fitted to their foot.
The Bible wasn’t complete until the death of John about 100 or 120. Many books floated around for 300 or 400 years. A few painstakingly, handwritten Bibles staring coming into existence at this point. But until the invention of the printing press, very few Christians had personal Bibles. Is all this supposed to be ignored? People followed the Church which is “the pillar and foundation of truth(1 Tim 3:15).”
Pray a family Rosary daily.
"The Family That Prays Together Stays Together" ~ Fr. Patrick Peyton
A better argument might be that authority is collective among those who have been educated and trained in the field, but it also must withstand the test of generations.
A Pope, or even a generation, can be in error, but, in Catholic parlance, the magisterium, considered over generations, can’t be in error.
Most religions have some version of this idea. Catholics have a hierarchy and Pope (mostly just in theory these days), which is a bit unique.
“You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”
The story goes that Napoleon basically said to a cardinal, “I shall destroy the church!” The cardinal started snickering and replied, “If we haven’t been able to do it in 1800 years, you’ll never do it.”
“the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it (My Church).” - Mt 16:18
Jumping ship is cowardice in the face of the the enemy. We're not dust in the wind, we're bought with a price and Jesus Christ knows each of us intimately.
Throw the pirates overboard and put out the fires they started, that's the cross we bear.
I spent 3 hours writing my original response to this only to have the electricity flicker as I was about to hit Post.
I don’t have the willpower to recreate it. The bottom line of what I was writing is that I didn’t find Jesus until I found Him in His one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I had quite a sermon going on how, for me, personal holiness is the key. It was what my grandfather spent his life preaching and it’s stuck with me across most of a lifetime. If one isn’t living a holy life then there’s no real point in pretending that one is born again or having a personal relationship with Jesus.
Congregational evangelicalism taught me about hypocrisy, not holiness. It’s what I grew up in... the sweet smile on the face and the knife in the back. I’m a PK, I watched the vile underbelly of “Bible centered churches” and there’s nothing in it that makes it special.
Yes, your advice is solid. A daily rosary makes a huge difference, my concern is for when my children no longer have me running interference between them and the bishops.
My older kids could teach religious ed at the parish I think, their hearts and minds belong to Christ I believe. But what concerns me is when they grow up and leave the nest to discover that mom and dad teach a different kind of Catholicism than the bishops seem to be teaching.
Been there done that Legatus but I found that those people being wrong didnt make the next church right. In fact, I found that church most often is not where Christ is. Christ is found in the most quiet solitude of your thoughts after reading Gods word with prayer for help from the Holy Spirit. Test every teaching of every so called church and every professed teacher by the words of scripture with prayer that the Holy Spirit will enlighten. Following any church or any man will always lead you to error of some kind or another. Sincere prayer for guidance from the Holy Spirit with scripture as your only source will fill your soul with gladness and an assurance that no one can take from you.
Immunize them in advance by telling them the truth. Unfortunately, we have been left with no choice in this period of diabolical disorientation but to point out to our children the widespread defections within the hierarchy (and the priesthood) from Traditional teachings. If we fail to do so, they will definately be in for a shock down the line.
I'm not sure in what ways you differ from the bishops. Thus, it's difficult for me to answer your post intelligently.
Have you heard of the Newman Connection? Sponsored by the Serra club — your religious ed teacher can register your graduate with the college in which they are enrolling.
When your son/daughter gets to the college campus they are contacted and warmly welcomed by the Newman Club.
It started right from the beginning of Francis’ Papacy with all these celebrities, heretics and miscreants coming right up for communion, no questions asked.
Thanks for the information on the Newman Connection, although my knowledge of many Newman centers hasn’t exactly been positive I suppose it’s much better than tossing a child out into a college culture with no help whatsoever.
The Catholicism practiced in our home is closer to the Catholicism of the 1950s than the 21st century. My children memorized the Baltimore catechism and have never been exposed to the CCC (for instance). They complain (without any prompting from us) on the rare occasions that a novus ordo Mass is the only option available. The examples could go on for some time but I think you get the general idea.
THat makes a lot of sense, one thing that bothers me is I don't want to poison my children against the institutional Church. We've already had enough "Daddy says the Church teaches this but the bishop teaches otherwise" events. Balancing what we teach and what the Church appears to be teaching is a difficult job, on one side looms sedevacantism and on the other is the Church of Nice. Neither of those possibilities does anything other than scare me.
It sounds as though you're already dealing with the dilemma in a rational manner. That's all any of us can do, and then trust the outcome to God.
Have you enthroned the Sacred Heart in your home?
Another suggestion: St. Louis de Montfort's total consecration to Jesus through Mary.
"Church Militant Field Manual: Special Forces Training for the Life in Christ"
"Officium Divinum" (abridged for use of the laity) Angelus Press
"Pray, hope, and don't worry. Worry is useless. God is merciful and will hear your prayer." - Padre Pio
Yes and I'll check out the fisheaters link, I've found it to be a great resource in the past. We have a couple of copies of the Angelus Press Divine Office and use Brevmeum on iphone and ipad at home. Based on your recommendation I just threw 3 books by Fr Richard M Heilman into my Amazon shopping cart, including the Church Militant Field Manual.