Skip to comments.Jessa Duggar's Beau Ben Seewald Deletes Anti-Catholic Statements From Facebook After Backlash
Posted on 07/29/2014 4:02:28 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
Jessa Duggar is currently courting Ben Seewald, a very strong Christian with very strong views on things. His views on the Catholic faith, however, recently caused a social media scandal and Seewald deleted the comments he had posted to his Facebook page.
"Where Catholics depart from Scripture, I will in no way support, but will call them out because I love them and desire that they be turned from their deadly errors," Seewald wrote. He also noted that he disagreed with the claim that Jesus' mother Mary was a "sinless being. I have nothing against individuals who are Catholic," he continued. "I know a lot of Catholics who are great people. What I DO have a problem with is the teaching that man can merit God's favor through his own works or the works of other fallen men."
Seewald was still not through expressing his disappointment with the Catholic tradition.
"I DO have a problem with the teaching that man can come to God through Mary or any other person besides Jesus
I DO have a problem with the deification of Mary as a sinless being. Mary herself admitted her need for a Savior. If she had no sin, she would need no Savior," he concluded.
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why would God put his only Son in a sinfull woman, think people think
Mary was sinless
Please support with scripture?
Jesus’ ancestors were all sinners.
Why wouldn’t He? It’s sin, not cooties. Mary’s sinful nature, as being fully human, is not an insurmountable condition for God the Father.
Why would God put his only Son in a sinful world?
All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Only the Saviour was, and is, perfect.
Though blessed among women, I would not pray to her. She did not die for my sin, and Scripture gives no instruction to worship the earthly being that was chosen to bring forth the Son of God.
If there is such Scripture, I would truly like to know about it.
Anybody in America who knows how to read should know that Catholics do not deify Mary. Luke 1:28 a verse Catholics rightly use to support her sinlessness. He might disagree with that interpretation but that verse exists.
Because He could. Who are we, as mere humans, to judge or place limits upon God?
One of the proofs of the power of God is that He can bring forth perfection from imperfection.
Thank you. Mary was highly favoured and blessed among women.
I agree, too
Luke 1:28: And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”
I don’t see anything in that verse to say that Mary was sinless. She was favored, she was blessed among women, but that does not say sinless.
Catholics do not pray to Mary. The Hail Mary prayer comes from the Gospel of Luke. We merely ask her to pray for us, something we ask of all the saints. Do Christians ask other Christians to pray for them? Certainly.
Furthermore, the prayers of the rosary are a contemplation on the life of Christ and His sufferings for us.
“Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death”
From the text of the Mass... again...
"Into their [those already in Heaven] company we beseech Thee admit us, not considering our merits, but freely pardoning our offenses. Through Christ our Lord."
NOT considering our merits. How much more explicit can the Church be?!
She was born in sin just like everyone else. Why else would she need a Savior?
Seewald was still not through expressing his disappointment with the Catholic tradition.
"I DO have a problem with the teaching that man can come to God through Mary or any other person besides Jesus I DO have a problem with the deification of Mary as a sinless being. Mary herself admitted her need for a Savior. If she had no sin, she would need no Savior," he concluded.
I know a number of catholics who pray to Mary. So that’s not part of catholic doctrine?
Not trying to offend anyone, but it seems a little weird to ask a dead person to pray for us, be it Mary or “saints”.
We regularly request prayer, but not from someone who has passed on.
If you believe that, though, it follows, "How could the sinless mother of Jesus come from a sinful woman (Mary's mother)?" And so on, and so on.
That does not say she was sinless.
Not sinless, though.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
A love so great it drove his #1 angel over creation into a murderously insane fit of jealousy!
As a Catholic, I may disagree with him (and he with me), but his posts are not “anti-Catholic.”
It’s a theological disagreement, and, bluntly, one that is not relevant to a person’s ultimate destination.
Close your eyes and just THINK WHY GOD would have HIS ONLY SON be BORN of a SINFILLED WOMAN!!!! It's really ridiculous.....even my Jewish husband understands it.
The “Hail Mary
comes DIRECTLY from Elizabeth John the BAPTISTS’S MOTHER at the VISITATION!!!
WHAT??? I go to Mass EVERY day, I have NEVER heard that!!
Riiiight.... Jesus’s MOTHER can’t do a THING for you......yeah.
As I read the Bible, the term "saints" is not applied to dead Christians that have some miracles associated with them. "Saints" just refers to the believers. You and I are saints. The original Greek term simply means "holy one" or "set apart" or "sanctified". We are made holy through through His blood when we accept his sacrifice and become part of His Body (the church).
Without knowing how your acquaintances “pray” it is impossible to know whether they are following Catholic doctrine. Sadly, it is sometimes the case that Catholics do not know the tenants of their own religion. I have met fellow Catholics for instance who are unaware that the church teaches that the eucharist is the actual body and blood of Jesus not merely a symbol.
Maybe you will think I am weird, but my mother died when I was seventeen and yes at times I ask her to pray for me, I think you would be surprised at how many people ask their much loved relatives that have passed on for strength here on Earth.
The big difference is that Elizabeth was talking to Mary directly - she was not praying to her after she was dead... And the Hail Mary is a bit different, in that Elizabeth did not ask Mary to pray for her. So while a part of that ritual comes from Scripture, not all of it does.
How did he get the right to limit the powers of God?
Granted this is from the text of the "old" Mass but it's still there:
To us also Thy sinful servants, who put our trust in the multitude of Thy mercies, vouchsafe to grant some part and fellowship with Thy holy Apostles and Martyrs: with John, Stephen, Matthias, Barnabas, Ignatius, Alexander, Marcellinus, Peter, Felicitas, Perpetua, Agatha, Lucy, Agnes, Cecilia, Anastasia, and all Thy Saints. Into their company we beseech Thee admit us, not considering our merits, but freely pardoning our offenses. Through Christ our Lord.
By whom, O Lord, Thou dost always create, sanctify +, quicken +, bless +, and bestow upon us all these good things.
Through Him +, and with Him +, and in Him +, is unto Thee, God the Father + Almighty, in the unity of the Holy + Ghost, all honor and glory. World without end.
There it is in black and white for all the world to see, the big secret of Catholicism... we don't merit salvation.
Grace is something God gives to all of us. It is by grace that we are all saved. She was full of grace at that point because she had been overshadowed by the Holy Spirit and had conceived the Savior. I have no doubt that God cleansed her from her sin prior to her conception.
However, I think you err in drawing the conclusion that a) Mary lived a sinless life until that point, and b) that she lived a sinless life after the birth of Christ (not to mention c)that she was assumed bodily into Heaven without seeing death.)
You really need to calm down. Just because I do not believe Mary was sinless throughout her life doesn’t mean I am showing disdain for her. As the Bible says, she was blessed above all women. But that does not say she lived a sinless life.
There was only one sinless Person, and that was Jesus. If it were possible for ANY person to live a sinless life without Christ, then Christ died in vain because we have the ability to live a sinless life without His death,and would need no forgiveness.
“What I DO have a problem with is the teaching that man can merit God’s favor through his own works or the works of other fallen men.”
Uh, who teaches that? The Catholic Church does not teach that we merit anything BY OUR OWN WORKS. The works are God’s. We cooperate with them.
This is what I understand a saint to be as well.
I agree with him, as well.
I agree with you about that. I don’t find the posts anti-catholic. He was just expressing his theological point of view in contrast to the Catholic faith.
As much as I would love for Free Republic to be the forum that bridges the ecumenical divide and unites Christendom, I’m not holding my breath. One critique, or suggestion, for my non-catholic FRiends here would be to take some time and read up on these Catholic doctrines. If there is one thing this Church does is writes things down. There are two thousand years of councils and synods where the successors of the apostles have, with the aid of the Holy Spirit as was promised by Christ Himself, sought to carry the Good News through the ages. It’s not a secretive cult.
“Marys sinful nature, as being fully human, is not an insurmountable condition for God the Father.”
A sinful nature is not insurmountable for God. Providing grace to someone to not have one is also not insurmountable for God. Also, a “sinful nature” is not “being fully human” for our earliest ancestors, Adam and Eve were created with no sin whatsoever but were certainly fully human. What they had is free will. What we have is free will and concupiscence thanks to their choice.
because HE was the father, not Joseph
and Mary would not call Jesus her Saviour if she was sinless
if she was sinless, she would not need a Saviour
Read your Bible, people, read your Bible...
Those are not “anti-Catholic” statements. They are simply Protestant. I don’t agree with him, which is one reason I am Catholic, and in fact he gets some of what Catholics believe wrong, but it’s not fair to say his statements are anti-Catholic. This is like when McCain tried to slime Bush for appearing at Bob Jones university, claiming that Jones was anti-Catholic when in fact he was Protestant.
The article starts from a typical leftist view that if you disagree with someone you are “anti” them.
As for me I love meeting committed/believing Protestants and discussing/debating these issues. If I meet someone who thinks it’s all the same thing, I’ll just walk away.
“If there is one thing this Church does is writes things down. There are two thousand years of councils and synods where the successors of the apostles have, with the aid of the Holy Spirit as was promised by Christ Himself, sought to carry the Good News through the ages. Its not a secretive cult.”
We have the Scriptures (from God, and in spite of the machinations of men). I have a seat at the table where I can listen to Paul, Peter, John, James, etc. I’ve benefited from men who have talked ABOUT them, no doubt. But the master class available to us through Scripture is superior (thanks to the Spirit)!
There is none good, no not one. If Mary was sinless, why not nail her to the cross and save God’s Son? There is NO scripture to say she was sinless. She was a person just as many were in scripture that found favor with God. Noah found such favor and righteousness was imputed to him, but later he got drunk and naked. David was a man after God’s own heart, but I’m sure we can agree he wasn’t perfect. The Bible is specific that we shouldn’t seek any other advocate than Jesus.
Mary was a sinner and needed her Son to die to save her.
Oh I live in Bob Jones' backyard... the headline of the college newspaper or newsletter or whatever it is when PaulVI died was "Pope Paul VI, archpriest of Satan, a deceiver and an anti-Christ, has, like Judas, gone to his own place"
THAT is anti-Catholicism.
I do understand your point of view, and I hope you do not believe that Catholics don’t avail themselves individually of the divine revelation of Scripture. I’ve sometimes found that some of my non-Catholic Christian friends imagine Catholics to be a bizarre cult of God eaters. I’ve just never understood the animosity.
St. Paul tells us in 1 Timothy 2 to make intercessions for our fellow Christians. That intercession doesn’t stop at the veil of death. The Body of Christ is contiguous beyond it.
Saints (Rev. 5:8) in heaven offer to God the prayers of those still on earth: And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. (Rev. 5:8) and And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel’s hand. (Rev. 8:3-4).
If there is no asking of saints in heaven to pray for us on earth, where do they get our prayers that they offer before the altar of God? Those prayers offered in heaven must be those of the saints on earth since the saints in heaven no longer need prayers.