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1 posted on 07/31/2014 3:54:29 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 07/31/2014 3:55:55 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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NO it is a certification that a valid sacramental marriage did not occur.


3 posted on 07/31/2014 4:05:07 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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No. Absolutely not.


4 posted on 07/31/2014 4:11:57 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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And if one’s spouse decided that their mind did not match the birth sex of their body? i.e. wanted a sex change operation? Would the spouse whom was content with their body be expected to remain married to their spouse who wanted to change his or her sexual orientation/identity?

I can’t believe that Jesus would say: “you must remain married to that person.”


12 posted on 07/31/2014 4:35:29 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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Annulments say that a marriage never took place.

1. I learned that if a man/woman DIDN'T tell perspective spouse about tied tubes and/or vasectomies and knew that spouse wanted children, then an annulment is granted.
Spouse DENIED the prospect of children and never told children-wanting spouse about the surgeries: a lie about children annulled the marriage; that is, there was NO marriage.

2. If husband beat the HOLY PIE out of his wife, an annulment is granted.
I knew an old high school student classmate in our class who underwent the latter. Her mother told me about it because they both had the same name and I met the MOTHER socially.
She told me that her daughter DID get the annulment, with FIVE children, and she got to marry someone else and HE was/is a WINNER and said school chum was/is HAPPY at last.
Marriage is about "love, cherish," etc. NOT about beating up spouse, so there was NO marriage.

THOSE are the only two experiences I've had with annulments.

16 posted on 07/31/2014 4:42:59 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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Is an Annulment a Catholic Divorce

They may soon become the same, if Cardinal Kasper and Pope Francis get their way in October's synod.

18 posted on 07/31/2014 4:49:07 PM PDT by ebb tide
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ANNULMENTS are not Catholic divorces.

Annulment = a marriage never took place, even with children.

21 posted on 07/31/2014 4:54:50 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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There are 4 things required for a sacrament to be valid. Matter, form, minister, and intent.

1) Matter- for a valid marriage you must have a man and woman, and only one of each.

2) Form- Vows need to be exchanged promising fidelity to each other.

3)Minister- In marriage the couple ministers the sacrament to each other. The priest is there to make sure the proper form is used.

4) Intent- This is the tricky one. Do both members intend the marriage to be sacramental? Do they intend to be faithful? Are they both of sound mind and are they giving their full and willing consent to this or is it under duress? Are both mature enough to give consent?

If one of these four is missing there may be grounds for a cert of nullity to be issued.

24 posted on 07/31/2014 5:14:28 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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Unfortunately, some people enter into valid marriages, but regret doing so or are unhappy with the way the marriage turns out. This does not invalidate a marriage.

It does if as far as I am concerned. If you kept your vows and your spouse shattered theirs and thereafter kicked you to the curb for someone else, I think they invalidated the marriage. The contracts with both spouse and God were severed and invalidated if not completly distroyed.

If you maintained your commitment to your spouse and your compact with God intact, I see no reason in the world why you should not remarry (be a LOT more selective next time).

To punish someone for the sins of another is not the Christan way nor in keeping with the fundamentals of reason.

26 posted on 07/31/2014 5:16:50 PM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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