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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Christ established the Catholic Church, the rock He built on Peter.

Christ's rock was the church and the church was sent out through the 12 apostles, not just Peter. And Peter never went to Rome. Christ said the gates of hell shall not prevail over His church. It's pretty clear that the forces of evil got the best of the church of Rome, with all it's heresies, it's gall of bitterness, it's bond of iniquity. It's a church of pedophilia, the evil acts of the Jesuits, the alliance with freemasonry since Vatican 2, it's embrace of socialism since Pope Pius 12, the abduction, gang rape, and murder in the Vatican itself of the teenage girl Emanuela, we could go on and on.

So yes, you do need to be subject to it. I am extremely grateful to be subject to Christ who, per Catholic dogma, the sole mediator between God and man.

Then why call the pope "Father", which is forbidden in the bible? Why call him the vicar of Christ?

So, you're a relativist? Again, there cannot be two truths.

There is only one truth, and Christ was the only man who held to that truth. The rest of us are not perfect in wisdom as Christ was. It is the goal of the rest of us to get as close to that truth as we can, and then we will be judged on our attempts to do just that. All it takes is effort, God judges on effort, since none of us will achieve perfect truth and wisdom in the flesh. When you allow the Catholic Church to decide what truth and wisdom is for you, you are putting almost no effort in the pursuit of it. You're letting imperfect men take the place of the Word.

There is only one absolute, objective truth -- and while it may be temporarily comforting to have a buffet of supposed"truths" to choose from, that one objective truth does not change.

And the Catholic Church is much farther than most protestants from that perfect truth.

Religion is not politics. There are many issues, such as capital punishment, form of government, etc, that Catholics can in good conscience hold different opinions on.

You think the pope is going to appreciate differeing from him on capital punishment?

I see Protestants as opposed to liberty then -- we should have the liberty to disagree on whether saints can intercede with Christ on our behalf, for example. But Protestants just won't play ball.

Protestants don't punish people on having disagreements. It's why there are so many different protestant churches. It's what narses always posts that yopios (or whatever) picture making fun of the fact that protestants hold different opinions. I see difference of opinion as a strength. It's what America was built on, each individual voting his/her opinion and coming together on the big stuff. Catholics have a history of punishing people for having difference of opinion as in the inquisition, the genocides (that some freepers celebrate), etc.

Regarding the rest of your post, the fruits of Catholicism don't match what you say. Catholics support Obama, your popes celebrate Islam, Francis embraces socialism, puts down Reagan and conservatives, embraces moral relativism, says we should not spread the Word of God, again, I could go on and on. I judge by fruits, as the bible says, and as Peter himself told Simon Magus in Samaria, you are the gall of bitterness and the bond of iniquity. That was a prophecy, and indeed when Simon Magus' followers took over the church of Rome that Paul started, that's exactly what the Catholic Church became.

52 posted on 08/17/2014 6:39:19 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"Christ's rock was the church and the church was sent out through the 12 apostles, not just Peter. And Peter never went to Rome. Christ said the gates of hell shall not prevail over His church. It's pretty clear that the forces of evil got the best of the church of Rome, with all it's heresies, it's gall of bitterness, it's bond of iniquity. It's a church of pedophilia, the evil acts of the Jesuits, the alliance with freemasonry since Vatican 2, it's embrace of socialism since Pope Pius 12, the abduction, gang rape, and murder in the Vatican itself of the teenage girl Emanuela, we could go on and on."

1) Peter did indeed go to Rome. He referred to "The Church here in Babylon," one of the names which Christians referred to Rome by. 2) What heresies, what gall of bitterness? 3) Going by insurence statistics, Protestant Churches today harbor more pedophilia than the Catholic Church did at the height of the crisis. I don't feel like digging up the links, but they are in my comments if you care to. 4) What specific evil acts of the Jesuits?

"Then why call the pope "Father", which is forbidden in the bible? Why call him the vicar of Christ?"

WHy call anyone, including your own father, father? The bible does not forbid the use of the word 'father,' it forbids viewing anybody but God as your father, king, and foundation.

"There is only one truth, and Christ was the only man who held to that truth. The rest of us are not perfect in wisdom as Christ was."

Which is why God gave us His One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church, through which He gives us His truth and grace.

"And the Catholic Church is much farther than most protestants from that perfect truth."

No its not.

"You think the pope is going to appreciate differeing from him on capital punishment?"

Doesn't matter what he appreciates. Church teachings do not regard the personal opinion of a given pope.

"Protestants don't punish people on having disagreements. It's why there are so many different protestant churches. It's what narses always posts that yopios (or whatever) picture making fun of the fact that protestants hold different opinions. I see difference of opinion as a strength. It's what America was built on, each individual voting his/her opinion and coming together on the big stuff. Catholics have a history of punishing people for having difference of opinion as in the inquisition, the genocides (that some freepers celebrate), etc."

Unity through strength. Only since all this diversity crap has been celebrated has America gone down the tubes. And please, give me a break. Protestants have the same history of killing, torturing, etc, as Catholics. I truly laugh when Protestants whine about the inquisition, because such a complaint is insupportable. Protestants through the ages are equally guilty.

"Regarding the rest of your post, the fruits of Catholicism don't match what you say. Catholics support Obama, your popes celebrate Islam, Francis embraces socialism, puts down Reagan and conservatives, embraces moral relativism, says we should not spread the Word of God, again, I could go on and on. I judge by fruits, as the bible says, and as Peter himself told Simon Magus in Samaria, you are the gall of bitterness and the bond of iniquity. That was a prophecy, and indeed when Simon Magus' followers took over the church of Rome that Paul started, that's exactly what the Catholic Church became."

Precision is not your strong point, is it? Roughly half of American Catholics support Obama, just as (gasp) roughly half of American Protestants. The personal sins of a pope, Francis saying nice stuff about Islam, crapping on capitalism, etc, do not effect the dogma of the Church. Contrary to popular Protestant belief, Catholics don't consider the pope perfect.

53 posted on 08/17/2014 10:33:09 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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