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To: Biggirl

First, conquest... and not of the “negotiated solution,” but a complete, convincing and total beatdown... then conversion.


2 posted on 09/12/2014 4:19:50 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: ScottinVA

*”negotiated solution variety...


3 posted on 09/12/2014 4:20:58 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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People have been seeing the barbarism and brutality of Islam since the day the cult began, and it hasn’t done anything to create the critical mass to reject it, as Fr Longenecker believes will happen.

People see the barbarism and they’re scared of it but because there seems to be no effective defender against it they just accept it out of terror. And then their descendants, who have never known anything but Islam, swell its ranks for generations.

Like it or not, the secular powers have the duty to defend their people against Islam. It attacks them like a secular power itself (by secular, I mean a state) and should not be treated like a religion but like a hostile state. And in fact it is, since Islam is a theocracy and therefore the state and religion are indistinguishable, as we are seeing with the ISIS proclamation of the “Islamic State” or Caliphate. It is a state run by religious law, but it is still a state and attacks against it should be on that basis.

When a state is peaceful, the other states can ignore or tolerate it even if they don’t agree with its system; but when a state is warlike and expansionist, the other states have no choice but to fight back and to attack it into submission.

Conversion, whether of the heart of the individual or the structure of a system, works only when the state has been completely subjugated - such as in the case of Germany, which was forced to give up its loathsome ideology, but only after it had been defeated militarily.

Unless expansionist Islam is treated as an enemy state, that is, as a political enemy that can be the target of military action, there will never even be any chance or space for the true conversion all Muslims need.

And while the best option would be a conversion to the truth, that is, Christianity, the fundamental thing they need is a conversion AWAY from Islam. I don’t see them becoming Buddhists any time soon, but certainly, anything would be better than the Satanic religion/state that now holds them in thrall.


5 posted on 09/12/2014 5:04:41 AM PDT by livius
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To: ScottinVA

I agree, but here’s the problem as I see it.

In order to accomplish the complete beatdown of Islam, we’d need to do ONE thing before anything else: nuke Mecca. The muslims believe that Mecca is inviolate and can never be destroyed. They believe it is under special and supernatural protection by Allah and that no attack laid against it can ever succeed. If this idea can be spectacularly and completely crushed by turning it into so much rdioactive glass, this will go a LONG way towards the eradication of Islam.

Now...two problems with this. One- the American people would NEVER elect a leader who mention this as one of the goals of their administration. Too many in this country have been ‘wimpified’ to allow themselves to see this as even a remotely possible solution. Therefore, the US leader who would do this has 2 options- 1) do it as a surprise, without having let the American people know ahead of time what they were going to do, or 2) eliminate that part of the population (or maybe just their votes) who would object.

The second problem is international. The indication on radar of a flight of nuclear missiles inbound to Mecca might have the tendency for other countries to assume that they’re next. That means the President who orders such a strike would necessarily have to inform other leaders that this was going to happen. If those leaders would happen to object to this, they might threaten a counter-strike against us, provided they were equipped to do so (Russia?). The resulting global thermonuclear war would certain put a crimp in the “Victory over Islam” parties that might spring up.

We could say “if you object to this, we’ll bomb you into oblivion as well” and take the role of ‘bully to the world’...but what would that accomplish?

As you can see, it’s a VERY complicated situation.


14 posted on 09/12/2014 10:27:04 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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