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Three Fallacies in the “Dress Code Debates”
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Posted on 10/19/2014 12:17:41 PM PDT by Morgana

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I like this one:

"* If your pants are hanging around your thighs, then they have ceased performing their essential function as pants and you are dressing immodestly."

Dare I say why we can't enforce that form of modesty?

1 posted on 10/19/2014 12:17:41 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

females should quit wearing men’s clothes.


2 posted on 10/19/2014 12:20:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ( LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nationÂ’s electorate for democrats)
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To: Morgana
This column apparently is talking about student dress codes.
I think TEACHER dress codes should be the obvious starting place. Any dress codes should start with teachers required to wear Business Attire. At the minimum slacks and shirt. No jeans and tee shirts.
3 posted on 10/19/2014 12:28:22 PM PDT by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Phillip Nolan by the day.)
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To: Morgana

If a female wears provocative clothing, I will stare every time.


4 posted on 10/19/2014 12:30:52 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Morgana

Liberal Oakland instituted uniform Dress Codes several years ago, under Mayor Jerry Brown, believe it or not. And it turned out that the parents loved it! The biggest selling point was that they no longer had spend big bucks keeping up with the latest fashions. Everyone now wears khaki pants or a khaki skirt with a green top. Simple and inexpensive.

And the kids look a lot better too ;-)


5 posted on 10/19/2014 12:31:42 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: Morgana
UNIFORMS!!!! Uniforms are GREAT!! Talk about being EQUAL!! And it's much CHEAPER and creates a much better atmosphere at school. No one is embarrassed because EVERYONE is!!

Every third world country we've been in, we have seen very poor children in uniforms and they look darling! Plus it makes them look BETTER and WEALTHIER.

6 posted on 10/19/2014 12:32:32 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Tupelo

As a college professor, no disagreement about slacks and a shirt or turtleneck. But a tie and jacket, difficult for me.
I move around a lot and start at one end of the whiteboard
and go to the other by the end of the 50 minute lecture.


7 posted on 10/19/2014 12:32:36 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: Morgana; narses

But the SCHOOL bureaucrats DEMAND iron-clad, explicit, specific, by-the-1/4 inch rules so THEY do have to use THEIR judgement in front of parents who refuse to use THEIR judgement. (Or never had it in the first place.)

And the liberal socialist “thought police” use every one of those arguments to get ALL rules thrown out. Except what the liberal socialists demand in their policies!


8 posted on 10/19/2014 12:33:16 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: ansel12

At the local high school just down the block from me what passes for ‘’school dress’’ looks like try-outs for an MTV video. All it says to me is a kid saying “I dare you to educate me’’.


9 posted on 10/19/2014 12:35:17 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: Morgana

The author uses logic to make multiple good points about joint responsibility for making modest choices. The main point he overlooks are the basic facts of human biology and sexual drive. These facts have been in play even back when showing a little ankle could cause a major scandal. The human male is easily visually enticed and the human female knows this. Also, the largest human sexual organ is the brain which can launch off into fantasy and imagination even if everybody were wearing sackcloth robes from neck to floor. Modesty is good and so is a sense of perspective that’s linked to biological reality.


10 posted on 10/19/2014 12:39:52 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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When it comes to the distraction caused by immodest dress, this fallacy occurs when one side only supports what they think is the common sense solution – tell the female students to stop dressing immodestly so that no one is distracted. The other side then fires back with their only solution, which I have to admit, is a catchy slogan,

“Don’t tell girls what to wear, teach the boys not to stare!”


Whoever came up with that last sentence is obviously female - no one who has ever experienced male puberty would bother trying to tell teenage boys not to be distracted by teenage girls. Might as well tell them to flap their arms and fly to the moon.

And no, it doesn't matter how modestly the girls dress - there's no denying human nature. Girls went to school covered from neck to toes 100 years ago, boys stared.
11 posted on 10/19/2014 12:41:28 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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We stayed at a villa on the north coast of Jamaica, east of Ocho Rios, circa 1979. Did a lot of walking. Very poor villages, neighborhoods.

However, each school day we could see waves of kids in different color uniforms, by level of school. Walking to and from school.

Very nice and something to see in the middle of a city or town.


12 posted on 10/19/2014 12:42:58 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Ann Archy

At my prep school, it was sport coats and ties. Of course they didn’t expect me to wear red plaid pants with a green madras sport coat, purple shirt and electric blue tie, and yellow socks!


13 posted on 10/19/2014 12:43:11 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: Morgana

School Uniforms. Every public school in the US should be requiring a school uniform. Studies have proven that for one thing it improves discipline. It also takes away the gang colors problem and the status issue of poor kids trying to wear the expensive clothes and shoes. If everyone looks the same they can concentrate on their studies and not who’s wearing what.


14 posted on 10/19/2014 12:45:13 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

ah, yes we wore madras shorts, very cool 61-64

Catholic boys schools. Shirts with collars, no jeans, no tennis shoes except in PE. Hair off the collar. and strictly enforced


15 posted on 10/19/2014 12:46:33 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Girls went to school covered from neck to toes 100 years ago, boys stared.

We can't help it. Females are awesome.

16 posted on 10/19/2014 12:48:02 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Morgana

take hormones out of the equation by having single sex schools.


17 posted on 10/19/2014 1:02:18 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
I'll bet you still know how to dress appropriately!!

We just got off a cruise and even though the Dining Rooms don't allow SHORTS and COLLARLESS shirts at dinner, MANY, MANY Sloppy men came in like that, and the Doorkeeper said NOTHING to them!! I said plenty to her and her boss though. Brings down the whole atmosphere when some pig is dressed like the pig he is.

18 posted on 10/19/2014 1:09:32 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Morgana

A society’s first line of defense is not the law but customs, traditions and moral values. These behavioral norms, mostly transmitted by example, word-of-mouth and religious teachings, represent a body of wisdom distilled over the ages through experience and trial and error.

They include important thou-shalt-nots such as shalt not murder, shalt not steal, shalt not lie and cheat, but they also include all those courtesies one might call ladylike and gentlemanly conduct.

Policemen and laws can never replace these restraints on personal conduct. At best, the police and criminal justice system are the last desperate line of defense for a civilized society.

This failure to fully transmit value norms to subsequent generations represents another failing of the greatest generation.
- Walter E. Williams, Nov. 21, 2007


19 posted on 10/19/2014 1:10:33 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Morgana

By the time the students are my age, they could walk around in a bikini without being an occasion of sin for any man who hasn’t spent the last year deployed on a submarine.


20 posted on 10/19/2014 1:12:52 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Feeling fine about the end of the world!)
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