[Salvation]

Msgr. Charles Pope Ping!

[cloudmountain]

ALWAYS!

[defconw]

Excellent! I don't know how old all of you are but I was born at the end of 1963 and my whole life has been nothing but great big huge upheaval of the Church and culture. So what chance have the younger ones? I was 11 when my first friends parents got divorced and i heard all about the affair her dad had and etc.

I fear this (hedonism etc) has been going on so long there is not much that is going to curb it.

[NorthMountain]

Pay attention fellow Christian, our presumption that we are dealing with reasonable people is set aside by this text.

Quite right. Paul also writes

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
(Ephesians 6)

The real enemy is not the unreasonable hedonistic people, but the demonic power behind them.

Our help is in The Lord, who made Heaven and Earth.