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Pope Francis Says Evolution Is Not Inconsistent With God, Backs Scientific Advancements
Christian Post ^ | 10/28/2014 | Stoyan Zaimov

Posted on 10/28/2014 9:44:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Vigilanteman

well put.

GMO doggies...cats....

I heard a fact about the human capillary system the other day. It appears that four human capillary systems...stretched end to end would reach form the Earth to the Moon. Complexity of stunning proportions


21 posted on 10/28/2014 10:11:44 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill)
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To: Alter Kaker
He is, actually. The fact that your own mind has trouble conceptualizing the scale of evolution is a problem for you, not for science, for God, or the Pope for that matter.

It's the other way around, in fact. Evolution always falls apart when we get into the fine details. The immense complexity of even the smallest of organisms makes it quite difficult for even the most intelligent evolutionists to explain how exactly they "evolved" via natural selection, since many of the things we take for granted are actually highly complex even in their simplest forms, thus making it necessary that it "evolved" all at once, perfectly working the very first time.

22 posted on 10/28/2014 10:13:51 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Viruses also undergo natural selection, which is another component.

Viruses adapt to their environment, which would be a form of natural selection.

23 posted on 10/28/2014 10:13:52 AM PDT by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: SeekAndFind
End Times False Prophet ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

24 posted on 10/28/2014 10:14:23 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: MrB
Got an example of a virus becoming something besides a virus through this process?

Nope, but we wouldn't expect to. Viruses aren't living organisms and all living organisms have genetic markers that indicate that they share a common ancestor -- if viruses could readily evolve into living organisms we wouldn't see that, we would see evidence of multiple descent.

25 posted on 10/28/2014 10:14:44 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Up Yours Marxists
"It contradicts the Bible record of creation."

Then the book is wrong.

"It is inconsistent with God’s methods."

You mean it is inconsistent with what you think God's methods are.

"The evolutionary philosophy is the intellectual basis of all anti-theistic systems..."

Your history and philosophy are wrong, but that's all beside the point that none of it has any bearing on whether evolution is actually true.

26 posted on 10/28/2014 10:15:21 AM PDT by mlo
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To: Alter Kaker

You’re wound awful tight. I don’t know you so I don’t know what struggles you are facing; however, I’m having a very nice day. Because you want to be nasty and combative, I cannot let you influence my life. Please do not respond to me again, and have a blessed day.


27 posted on 10/28/2014 10:15:49 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Up Yours Marxists
No, they do not evolve. They mutate. Big difference.

From Dictionary.com:

mutate [myoo-teyt]

Examples Word Origin

verb (used with object), mutated, mutating.

1.to change; alter.

2. to change by umlaut.

verb (used without object), mutated, mutating.

3.to change; undergo mutation.

evolve [ih-volv] Examples Word Origin

verb (used with object), evolved, evolving.

1. to develop gradually: to evolve a scheme.

2. to give off or emit, as odors or vapors. verb (used without object), evolved, evolving.

3. to come forth gradually into being; develop; undergo evolution: The whole idea evolved from a casual remark.

4. Biology. to develop by a process of evolution to a different adaptive state or condition: The human species evolved from an ancestor that was probably arboreal.

Seems pretty close to me.

29 posted on 10/28/2014 10:17:39 AM PDT by verga (You anger Catholics by telling them a lie, you anger protestants by telling them the truth.)
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To: the anti-mahdi

You are wrong.


30 posted on 10/28/2014 10:18:46 AM PDT by verga (You anger Catholics by telling them a lie, you anger protestants by telling them the truth.)
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To: Alter Kaker

One of the worst analogies I have ever seen on free republic. :-). But have a nice afternoon!


31 posted on 10/28/2014 10:19:05 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: mlo

You fell for that whole “you will be as gods” thing, didn’t you!


32 posted on 10/28/2014 10:19:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Alter Kaker

It will become your problem as well if your “smart people” try to impose your system of godless beliefs and amoral values on all us “dumb people.”


33 posted on 10/28/2014 10:21:36 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Brother Guy Consolmagno, astronomer and planetary scientist at the Vatican Observatory, said earlier in October that he finds Young Earth Creation theories that run contrary to science "almost blasphemous" in nature.

This is the guy who uses the Vatican telescope "Lucifer"
to look for salvation when aliens land from outer space.

What a theologian !

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
34 posted on 10/28/2014 10:23:17 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: verga

Okay—we’ll both be informed then won’t we?


35 posted on 10/28/2014 10:24:08 AM PDT by the anti-mahdi
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
...since many of the things we take for granted are actually highly complex even in their simplest forms, thus making it necessary that it "evolved" all at once, perfectly working the very first time.

I have heard this described as "irreducible complexity", that, for instance, the blood clotting process has to work perfectly the first time or it kills the host. It really cannot evolve into the blood clotting process.

37 posted on 10/28/2014 10:24:30 AM PDT by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Natural selection can't help you if the appendage you have growing on your back is useless.

This is true, by definition. However I'd note that it won't necessarily hurt you, and it will help you if that appendage is useful - gives you any kind of selective advantage.

If something is highly complex so that it is useless unless it is already constructed in one go, such as a light sensitive spot

Oh yes, the old eye canard. Actually, the evolution of the eye is pretty well understood. You might want to google it and save me the trouble of copying and pasting a primer for you.

38 posted on 10/28/2014 10:33:10 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
Oh yes, the old eye canard. Actually, the evolution of the eye is pretty well understood. You might want to google it and save me the trouble of copying and pasting a primer for you.

Copy and paste away, and we'll see how well you do at defending it.

39 posted on 10/28/2014 10:34:47 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: liege
I have heard this described as "irreducible complexity", that, for instance, the blood clotting process has to work perfectly the first time or it kills the host. It really cannot evolve into the blood clotting process.

Oh yes, Behe's argument that blood clotting is irreducibly complex. Except that it isn't. Simpler blood clotting mechanisms do exist all over the place. It could evolve and it did evolve.

40 posted on 10/28/2014 10:35:23 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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