For Advent: Two Canons: Scripture & Tradition

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[Salvation]

Be my guest — examine each and every paragraph here.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/scripture-and-tradition

[Salvation]

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_PL.HTM

[BipolarBob]

#1 I wasn't addressing you.
#2 "So laughable when non-Catholics try to tell Catholics what Catholic need to believe. Especially when the information isn’t accurate." Yes, let's check your accuracy. The question in post 20 was "Why don’t Protestants in general accept this?". I answered this question honestly. That's not telling Catholics what they need to believe. That is telling them why I don't equate tradition with Scripture. Which sort of proves my point about oral tradition if you misconstrue my posts into accusations. I know you're probably trying to look for some sort of moral victory here after failing to prove anything but that dog just won't hunt.

[Salvation]

The definition of tradition that is used is limited.

Please note definition #2

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tra·di·tion

noun \trə-ˈdi-shən\

: a way of thinking, behaving, or doing something that has been used by the people in a particular group, family, society, etc., for a long time

: the stories, beliefs, etc., that have been part of the culture of a group of people for a long time

—used to say that someone has qualities which are like the qualities of another well-known person or group of people from the past

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Full Definition of TRADITION

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a :  an inherited, established, or customary pattern of thought, action, or behavior (as a religious practice or a social custom)

b :  a belief or story or a body of beliefs or stories relating to the past that are commonly accepted as historical though not verifiable

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:  the handing down of information, beliefs, and customs by word of mouth or by example from one generation to another without written instruction

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:  cultural continuity in social attitudes, customs, and institutions

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:  characteristic manner, method, or style <in the best liberal tradition>

[CynicalBear]

You always like to post links. Would you please post the link that shows that what the Catholic Church teaches as “tradition” is exactly what the apostles taught as “tradition”?

[Salvation]

More information for all

[Salvation]

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_PM.HTM

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Just what are those traditions Paul was referring to that he handed down that we are to keep that were not included in Scripture? --- How do you know?"

A related question would be, "Just what were the books Paul was referring to as Scripture in, for instance, 2 Tim 3:6"?

So I go on to ask:

How do you know?

How do you know they’re from the apostles?

How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?

What is your source for verifying all of the above?

Please provide the sources for verification purposes.

I'm interested, metmom.

[verga]

Funny that......

Please keep telling us how you used to be Catholic.

[verga]

And they call them selves protestants.

[BipolarBob]

2 Tim 3:6??? Books???

[verga]

A related question would be, "Just what were the books Paul was referring to as Scripture in, for instance, 2 Tim 3:6"?

So I go on to ask:

How do you know?

How do you know they’re from the apostles?

How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?

What is your source for verifying all of the above?

Please provide the sources for verification purposes.

I'm interested, metmom.

For the record she has been asked this exact same question several times. At least 5 times by me. If you get a response, and that is a huge if I can assure you it will be aimed at something tangential, or she will bring up pedophilia. That is if you get a response at all which you probably won't.

[metmom]

None of which definitions define tradition as relating something to someone in conversation.

[metmom]

The texts for Scripture have been preserved and are available for perusal to verify accuracy.

*Oral tradition* does not have that.

So your attempt to use that argument against Scripture falls apart.

Paul was a Hebrew of the Hebrews, a pharisee. Whatever the Jews of those days considered Scripture is going to be what he was referring to.

[metmom]

Nor is that an answer to the questions.

So my questions about *sacred tradition* and the claims that they are from the apostles are still unanswered.

[CynicalBear]

>>And they call them selves protestants.<<

Not likely. It's non Catholics who consistently produce scripture and Catholics who claim that scripture is not all they go by.

[metmom]

The only people here calling Protestants *Protestants* are the Catholics.

Those of us Christians who post on this forum don’t self-identify as *Protestant*.

I do not identify as anything but a Christian. I am a follower of Christ, not a denomination or person.

I know that’s virtually impossible for any Catholic to wrap their minds around, but that’s simply a result of too my indoctrination and bad teaching.

[metmom]

Provide the links.

Cause all I recall hearing from you is that you think I’m wrong.

[CynicalBear]

>>A related question would be, "Just what were the books Paul was referring to as Scripture in, for instance, 2 Tim 3:6"?<<

Paul referred to books in 2 Tim 3:6??

2 Timothy 3:6 for of these there are those coming into the houses and leading captive the silly women, laden with sins, led away with desires manifold,

Perhaps if you could point out where he was referring to "books" in that verse we could address your questions.

[ealgeone]

Your post 55. There are three places in the NT that Paul addresses tradition. When I have time I'll post these.

. Catholics appear to have taken the verse in John regarding the fact that not all things Jesus did have been written down to take license and invent new teachings. Note this limitation would only apply to the things of Jesus.

It is also assumed by cathloicism that other teachings, while not written down, happened and that these must be accepted. This goes against Paul's exhortation to test the spirits and the Bereans searching the Scriptures.

. A lot of catholicism's non-Biblical teachings cannot be tested in his manner and must be discarded for this reason.

there is also the steadfast refusal to consider context and word usage, especially the Greek and Hebrew, in studying the Word. This leads to distortion and false doctrine as we've seen.