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Ward Christmas Party - Joseph and Emma Smith Family?? [A Humorous 'Merry Smithmas!' chat board!]
NewOrderMormon.org ^ | Dec. 1, 2014 | ZelphlessNOM

Posted on 12/21/2014 5:28:54 AM PST by Colofornian

Zelphless NOM Dec 01, 2014

This is kinda funny actually. The Exec Sec of our ward just sent out this announcement for the ward Christmas Party:

Quote: As a Bishopric we would like to take this opportunity to invite everyone to come to the Ward Christmas Celebration...The theme this year will be "Christmas in Nauvoo" and will feature an 1843 Christmas in Nauvoo with the Joseph and Emma Smith family. Everyone is invited to come as you are, or dress in period clothing. The main dinner will be provided and if you wish you may bring your favorite holiday dessert to share. Please feel free to invite your neighbors and other guests to join us for this special evening and Christmas story.

Maybe I'll have my 12 year old daughter dress as Helen Mar Kimball :evil:

Zadok Dec 01, 2014

That would be classic!!! I wonder who will be playing the other "sacred not secret" wives of Brother Smith?

new-newordermormon Dec 01, 2014

wow....so much for making it an even that even non-members would want to attend.

Our ward tries to make it an inclusive "community Christmas party" so, we invite all our neighbors and it turns out to be a neighborhood event. I can't imagine any non-member wanting to come to this!

(unless they celebrate Christmas in Carthage!)

nibbler Dec 01, 2014

I admit that my first thought betrayed that bit of me that I like to suppress. Basically it was:

What, they're even hijacking Christmas to find a way to bring JS back into the conversation. :(

20/20vision Dec 01, 2014

Smithmous is alive and well in your ward...you should have your daughter dress as Helen Kimball and you should go as the angel with a sword and follow Joseph around the gym.

With the new essay out they should have all his spouses present.

HMS Beagle Dec 01, 2014

new-newordermormon wrote: I can't imagine any non-member wanting to come to this!

I can't imagine any member wanting to go to this. I think somebody is trying to get released from the activities committee.

TheRunningMom Dec 01, 2014

Maybe this was inspired by the term "Merry Smithmas?" Why did Joseph's birthday have to be so close to Christmas?

It would be hilarious for a bunch of families to come as Joseph's family with name tags telling the relationship. This could also include the men he was sealed to through the law of adoption so no man will be left behind. :lol: Bonus points if people are the same ages as the people they are representing.

This sounds like such a fun activity. :?

Keewon Dec 01, 2014

20/20vision wrote: Smithmous is alive and well in your ward...you should have your daughter dress as Helen Kimball and you should go as the angel with a sword and follow Joseph around the gym.

It's a good thing I don't drink coffee. My keyboard would be covered in it right now. :lol:

Zadok Dec 01, 2014

TheRunningMom wrote: It would be hilarious for a bunch of families to come as Joseph's family with name tags telling the relationship. This could also include the men he was sealed to through the law of adoption so no man will be left behind. :lol: Bonus points if people are the same ages as the people they are representing.

This sounds like such a fun activity.

This is golden. A couple of NOMs or borderline apostates could have sooo much fun with this. I think it would take a LONG time for your ward to recover.

ZelphlessNOM Dec 01, 2014

20/20vision wrote: ...you should go as the angel with a sword and follow Joseph around the gym.

HAHA love this!!

clean sweep Dec 01, 2014

Someone else needs to go around with the person playing JS as his scribe and write down his every utterance making sure to note which is prophesy. That person can then go home that evening and publish the new ward Book of Commandments and hand it out during Sunday School the next Sunday. All lessons can then be taught from that. Wouldn't make very much difference with what is taught now. :mrgreen:

The Beast Dec 01, 2014

How about showing up as Mr. and Mrs. William Law--almost family.

TheRunningMom Dec 01, 2014

One other idea...have the wives lined up in sealing order as well when you enter. :lol:

ZelphlessNOM, you're attending, right? And returning and reporting, right?

Seriously though, thanks for the laugh. This idea for a "Christmas" party baffles me.

20/20vision Dec 01, 2014

Here is another idea. You could volunteer to be joseph. Get yourself a good top hat and have a story telling time. Have everyone gather around, then cram your face into the hat and tell Christmas stories. It would be a marvelous work and a wonder.

I Can See Now Dec 01, 2014

20/20vision wrote: Smithmous is alive and well in your ward...you should have your daughter dress as Helen Kimball and you should go as the angel with a sword and follow Joseph around the gym.

With the new essay out they should have all his spouses present.

Lol...this.

Hiding in Plain Sight Dec 01, 2014

How about dressing up as Porter Rockwell who crashed the actual 1843 christmas party as the smith home, after being arrested for the attempted assassination of Governor Boggs.

Quote: On Christmas day, 1843, a large party assembled at the Prophet's home, spending the time in music and a social visit. During the festivities a man with long shaggy hair, apparently drunk, came in and was taken for a Missourian. A scuffle ensued and the Prophet beheld the stranger's face. To his great surprise and joy he recognized that this long-haired, disheveled man was his long-tried and true friend, Orrin Porter Rockwell. When the confusion ceased, Brother Rockwell related his experiences.

Just one more tidbit. After Rockwell returned, Joseph let him set up a bar as a business in the prophet's home. Emma quickly shut down the enterprise.

I Can See Now Dec 01, 2014

20/20vision wrote:

Here is another idea. You could volunteer to be joseph. Get yourself a good top hat and have a story telling time. Have everyone gather around, then cram your face into the hat and tell Christmas stories.

Lol...this too.

ZelphlessNOM, given that the polygamy essay just came out - you have either a brave Bishopric, a clueless Bishopric, or one that is attempting some spin control. Any guesses as to which type of Bishopric you have?

CaCoast Dec 01, 2014

ZelphlessNOM wrote: This is kinda funny actually. The Exec Sec of our ward just sent out this announcement for the ward Christmas Party:

Quote: As a Bishopric we would like to take this opportunity to invite everyone to come to the Ward Christmas Celebration...The theme this year will be "Christmas in Nauvoo" and will feature an 1843 Christmas in Nauvoo with the Joseph and Emma Smith family. Everyone is invited to come as you are, or dress in period clothing. The main dinner will be provided and if you wish you may bring your favorite holiday dessert to share. Please feel free to invite your neighbors and other guests to join us for this special evening and Christmas story.

Maybe I'll have my 12 year old daughter dress as Helen Mar Kimball :evil:

Looks like someone did NOT read the essay :shock: . This theme could provide unintended consequences (like the TRUTH) or for the uninformed, same-ol'-same-ol' (lies). So much win possible!

Here's what my ward is doing for Smithmas: 2nd Annual Christmas Service Party

Saturday, December 13, 9:30am - 1pm

Once again we are going to do a service project for our Christmas party. We are helping the same organization, xxxxxxxxxxx, to provide Christmas to many farm worker families. http://www.xxxxxxxxxx.org

The things we need this year are: Masa Harina flour

Toothpaste Toothbrushes Body soap Shampoo Toilet paper Deodorant (men & women) Baby diapers (all sizes)

Wrapping paper 2 gallon size baggies

$5-10 gifts for children (newborn-17), boys and girls

More details/assignments to follow. Thanks for all that each of you do. Sister xxxxxxxxxxx

Lots of Military and other low-income families in the ward who don't have extra cash to burn for this kanda stuff! The shame and isolation just keeps on coming. Merry Christmas from the corp.

Squidwords Dec 01, 2014

I Can See Now wrote: 20/20vision wrote: Here is another idea. You could volunteer to be joseph. Get yourself a good top hat and have a story telling time. Have everyone gather around, then cram your face into the hat and tell Christmas stories.

Lol...this too.

ZelphlessNOM, given that the polygamy essay just came out - you have either a brave Bishopric, a clueless Bishopric, or one that is attempting some spin control. Any guesses as to which type of Bishopric you have?

I would vote for CLUELESS. Honestly what are these people smoking?

glass shelf Dec 01, 2014 I am just blown away by the fact that no one in WC said, "Hey, do you think we should focus on Christ a little more since it is Christmas?" or if they did they were totally voted down.

My vote is that they'd have to be clueless. I can't imagine anyone willingly stepping into this landmine.

Iloveartmom Dec 02, 2014

I laughed at all your responses. Clueless seems to be the theme!

HappyJackWagon Dec 02, 2014

TheRunningMom wrote: Maybe this was inspired by the term "Merry Smithmas?" Why did Joseph's birthday have to be so close to Christmas?

It would be hilarious for a bunch of families to come as Joseph's family with name tags telling the relationship. This could also include the men he was sealed to through the law of adoption so no man will be left behind. :lol: Bonus points if people are the same ages as the people they are representing.

This sounds like such a fun activity. :?

This could also be a fun youth game. You know, a kind of "get to know you" mix and mingle. For fun the bishop could act as Joseph and the Mia Maids and Laurels could see what it's like to be a teen bride. Wait, I'm kind of creeping myself out. Sorry.

Zadok Dec 02, 2014

HappyJackWagon wrote: This could also be a fun youth game. You know, a kind of "get to know you" mix and mingle. For fun the bishop could act as Joseph and the Mia Maids and Laurels could see what it's like to be a teen bride. Wait, I'm kind of creeping myself out. Sorry. LOL...suggest this at your next Ward Council meeting and see what kind of response you get...???

_________________ "Although the Lord commanded the adoption ... of plural marriage in the latter days, He did not give exact instructions on how to obey the commandment." (Yeah, right).

ZelphlessNOM Dec 02, 2014

I Can See Now wrote: 20/20vision wrote: Here is another idea. You could volunteer to be joseph. Get yourself a good top hat and have a story telling time. Have everyone gather around, then cram your face into the hat and tell Christmas stories.

Lol...this too.

ZelphlessNOM, given that the polygamy essay just came out - you have either a brave Bishopric, a clueless Bishopric, or one that is attempting some spin control. Any guesses as to which type of Bishopric you have?

I'm leaning towards clueless. They are really good guys, probably not even aware of the essays

ZelphlessNOM Dec 02, 2014

TheRunningMom wrote: One other idea...have the wives lined up in sealing order as well when you enter. :lol:

ZelphlessNOM, you're attending, right? And returning and reporting, right?

Seriously though, thanks for the laugh. This idea for a "Christmas" party baffles me.

Would love to have all the wives present!! Yes, will return and report :). Baffles me too.

Margesimpson Dec 02, 2014

20/20vision wrote: Here is another idea. You could volunteer to be joseph. Get yourself a good top hat and have a story telling time. Have everyone gather around, then cram your face into the hat and tell Christmas stories. It would be a marvelous work and a wonder.

I lol'd! So crazy! What ever happened to Bethlehem themed Christmas celebrations?

amimormon Dec 02, 2014

Dress up as Jesus with a big sign around your neck that reads "Christmas, not Smithmas".

What'snext Dec 02, 2014

On my journey I see more and more the things I would have looked over before. A Joseph and Emma Christmas!? What fun! That would've been my responce. I must have had mind freeze all those years. Embarrassing.

Everyone is celebrating Christmas in the protestant world and one or more of our wards is celebrating the Smith family. .....well two of them anyway.

Carry on the fun of this post. Y'all are a hoot!

SBClosetMom Dec 02, 2014

You should send this email, from an anonymous address, to your bishop.

Dear Bishop, I just received the invitation to the ward Christmas party and I am really looking forward to it. I am so grateful that FINALLY, someone gets it. I get so tired of everyone talking about Jesus this time of year, forgetting what we should really be celebrating: the most important man who ever walked the face of this earth, even Joseph Smith, the prophet of the restoration. Here is one of my favorite quotes from church history that explains my feelings much more eloquently than I ever could: Quote: "...I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . " Joseph Smith (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409).

See you at the party. Sincerely, Molly

wtfluff Dec 02, 2014

Show up in "period clothing" with a shovel, and a "Urim and Thummim" (rock / seer-stone.)

Tell everyone you're gonna go look for buried treasure (like Joseph's first "profession") and if you find the buried treasure, you'll give it to Baby-Jesus as a "Smith-mas" gift...

Ford Prefect Dec 02, 2014

You could follow Joseph around and keep whispering in his ear that Fanny was in the young womens room waiting and you could marry them so it would be all square.


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Summation from the chat board from earlier this month

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The Exec Sec of our ward just sent out this announcement for the ward Christmas Party:
Quote: As a Bishopric we would like to take this opportunity to invite everyone to come to the Ward Christmas Celebration...The theme this year will be "Christmas in Nauvoo" and will feature an 1843 Christmas in Nauvoo with the Joseph and Emma Smith family. Everyone is invited to come as you are, or dress in period clothing.

And then, ZelphlessNOM, the poster, humorously adds: "Maybe I'll have my 12 year old daughter dress as Helen Mar Kimball

2

Poster Zadok then suggests other garb-dressing 1843 Mormon Nauvoo-ites could role-play as the "other 'sacred not secret' wives of Brother Smith."

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Poster 20/20vision hilariously suggests: Here is another idea. You could volunteer to be joseph. Get yourself a good top hat and have a story telling time. Have everyone gather around, then cram your face into the hat and tell Christmas stories. It would be a marvelous work and a wonder.

4

Poster Hiding in Plain Sight added this historical note:

How about dressing up as Porter Rockwell who crashed the actual 1843 christmas party as the smith home, after being arrested for the attempted assassination of Governor Boggs.
Quote: On Christmas day, 1843, a large party assembled at the Prophet's home, spending the time in music and a social visit. During the festivities a man with long shaggy hair, apparently drunk, came in and was taken for a Missourian. A scuffle ensued and the Prophet beheld the stranger's face. To his great surprise and joy he recognized that this long-haired, disheveled man was his long-tried and true friend, Orrin Porter Rockwell. When the confusion ceased, Brother Rockwell related his experiences. Just one more tidbit. After Rockwell returned, Joseph let him set up a bar as a business in the prophet's home. Emma quickly shut down the enterprise.

'Smithmassy' type of comments from the board

* Poster Nibbler:
"What, they're even hijacking Christmas to find a way to bring JS back into the conversation. :(" [Note: "JS" = "Joseph Smith]

* Poster 20/20vision:
Smithmous is alive and well in your ward...you should have your daughter dress as Helen Kimball and you should go as the angel with a sword and follow Joseph around the gym. With the new essay out they should have all his spouses present.

* Poster TheRunningMom:
Maybe this was inspired by the term "Merry Smithmas?" Why did Joseph's birthday have to be so close to Christmas? It would be hilarious for a bunch of families to come as Joseph's family with name tags telling the relationship. This could also include the men he was sealed to through the law of adoption so no man will be left behind. :lol: Bonus points if people are the same ages as the people they are representing.

* Poster HappyJackWagon, responding to what TheRunningMom wrote, added:
"This could also be a fun youth game. You know, a kind of 'get to know you' mix and mingle. For fun the bishop could act as Joseph and the Mia Maids and Laurels could see what it's like to be a teen bride. Wait, I'm kind of creeping myself out. Sorry."

* Poster glass shelf added:
I am just blown away by the fact that no one in WC said, 'Hey, do you think we should focus on Christ a little more since it is Christmas?' or if they did they were totally voted down.

* Poster Margesimpson asked:
I lol'd! So crazy! What ever happened to Bethlehem themed Christmas celebrations?

* Poster amimormon added:
Dress up as Jesus with a big sign around your neck that reads "Christmas, not Smithmas".

* Poster what'snext thoughtfully added:
On my journey I see more and more the things I would have looked over before. A Joseph and Emma Christmas!? What fun! That would've been my responce. I must have had mind freeze all those years. Embarrassing. Everyone is celebrating Christmas in the protestant world and one or more of our wards is celebrating the Smith family.

* Poster SBClosetMom contributed this humorous note:
"You should send this email, from an anonymous address, to your bishop."
"Dear Bishop,"
"I just received the invitation to the ward Christmas party and I am really looking forward to it. I am so grateful that FINALLY, someone gets it. I get so tired of everyone talking about Jesus this time of year, forgetting what we should really be celebrating: the most important man who ever walked the face of this earth, even Joseph Smith, the prophet of the restoration. Here is one of my favorite quotes from church history that explains my feelings much more eloquently than I ever could:"
"Quote:"
"'...I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . ' Joseph Smith (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409)."
"See you at the party."
"Sincerely,"
"Molly"

* Poster wtfluff mentioned:
Show up in "period clothing" with a shovel, and a "Urim and Thummim" (rock / seer-stone.) Tell everyone you're gonna go look for buried treasure (like Joseph's first "profession") and if you find the buried treasure, you'll give it to Baby-Jesus as a "Smith-mas" gift...

1 posted on 12/21/2014 5:28:54 AM PST by Colofornian
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2 posted on 12/21/2014 5:43:09 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I'd like to show up with my favorite hat and peep stone ... but nobody's invited me!

3 posted on 12/21/2014 5:50:36 AM PST by Zakeet (Obama: fail ... deny ... blame ... golf ... distract ... lie ... repeat)
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On Dec. 8, ZelphlessNOM "updated" all on the 1843 "Christmas in Nauvoo" themed party:

See UPDATE on the Merry Smithmas Party [Note: Calling it the 'Merry Smithmas Party' is this Mormon's thread headline -- not mine]

ZelphlessNOM wrote:

Hey All -
Just thought I'd update you all on the joyous Smithmas party we had. :mrgreen:
If you missed the first thread - here it is:
http://forum.newordermormon.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40595
Indeed, the Saturday Smithmas Celebration for 2015 did not disappoint! HAHA - They had the gym fully decked out with Smithmas decorations - seriously - pictures of Joe as well as quotes around the entire gym! They had at least 100 (probably more, I lost count) 8.5x11 sheets of printer paper with historical facts and milestones on all 4 walls of the gym - such as Joseph Smith bought the first parcel of land for Nauvoo on 18xx... Not a peep on any of the papers about polygamy! All of the classrooms on each side of the gym were converted into Nauvoo period stores, workshops, etc and in each room they had activities for ward members that were kinda cool - like cookie decorating in the bakery.
After the Bishop and others reenacted and shared scenes from a very whitewashed Christmas gathering in the mansion house in Nauvoo, the primary did a brief Luke 2 Nativity scene where they showed baby Jesus etc. But, it did seem very overshadowed with the focus of the night being on the half truths of the Joseph and Emma Smith family agenda. It just feels so dishonest to recreate the Nauvoo period and skip so many important details. The revisionist history is alive and well in the LDS church!

4 posted on 12/21/2014 5:56:33 AM PST by Colofornian
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I'd like to show up with my favorite hat and peep stone ... but nobody's invited me!

Alas, 'twas too late!

(See update in post #4...party already took place!)

5 posted on 12/21/2014 5:57:34 AM PST by Colofornian
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Alas, 'twas too late! ... party already took place!

It's probably the best for my own good. Never knowing where to stop, I probably would have gone whole hog by dressing up in a fancy 6-star general suit with epaulets, knee boots and a plumed hat ... waving a sword ... and proclaiming that I was greater than Jesus.

Joseph did that once in Nauvoo and we all know how that turned out ... less than one month later.

6 posted on 12/21/2014 6:21:53 AM PST by Zakeet (Obama: fail ... deny ... blame ... golf ... distract ... lie ... repeat)
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To: Colofornian

“Smithmas”: BAH HUMBUG!


7 posted on 12/21/2014 6:36:19 AM PST by cloudmountain
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It's probably the best for my own good. Never knowing where to stop, I probably would have gone whole hog by dressing up in a fancy 6-star general suit with epaulets, knee boots and a plumed hat ... waving a sword ... and proclaiming that I was greater than Jesus. Joseph did that once in Nauvoo and we all know how that turned out ... less than one month later.

Yeah...re: that "less than one month later" citation...kind of reminded me of that recent YouTube clip going around where a robber of a Church is being chased in his vehicle -- and is -- astoundedly...struck by lightning:
Man Gets Struck By Lightning During High Speed Chase After Robbing a Church

Attempt to rob a church, and a lightning bolt may immediately await you!

Attempt to rob Jesus of His glory, and look at what awaited Joseph Smith as he went out with loaded guns blazing!

8 posted on 12/21/2014 6:36:24 AM PST by Colofornian
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Still into your THREE MINUTES' HATE spew, I see. It's appalling that you call yourself a Christian. But then your leader has been called "The Father of Lies" for some time now.

Merry Christmas to REAL Christians. It's not the time of year for this type of foul slander and hate.

9 posted on 12/21/2014 10:02:42 AM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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“It’s not the time of year for this type of foul slander and hate.”

There is not any time of year for it.

Can you imagine individuals of sound mental health, with normal family and church obligations and participation, jobs, taking so much time for these obsessive sorts of efforts?


10 posted on 12/21/2014 10:27:45 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Colofornian

Ha!

I just KNEW this Mormozon thing was FAKE when I saw the checkout CART!!!

Why can't the Whores of Babylon EVER get it right??

--MormonDude(I may not know much about my chosen religion; but it sure is FUN!)

11 posted on 12/22/2014 4:23:12 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jimt
Still into your THREE MINUTES' HATE spew, I see.

Long time no see, Jim!

How's your one note symphony coming?

12 posted on 12/22/2014 4:24:36 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jimt

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:jimt/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

Now then; search for HATE...


13 posted on 12/22/2014 4:25:35 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jimt; Normandy; teppe
It's not the time of year for this type of foul slander and hate.

When WOULD be a good time??


 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

14 posted on 12/22/2014 4:29:01 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: truth_seeker
Can you imagine individuals of sound mental health, with normal family and church obligations and participation, jobs, taking so much time for these obsessive sorts of efforts?

I see that YOU still have the old memo!



Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

December 11st, 2011

 

URGENT!

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!

I've been getting lots of feedback from those of you on Free Republic (spit) about a certain Colorfornicator (or something like that), who is REALLY giving us a hard time there.
 
Why not try to point out to the uninformed how OBSESSED he seems to be.
 
Let's see if we can tangle him up so much trying to defend his reputation that he'll no longer have as much time to post facts about MORMONism.
 
As always, Tommy M.

15 posted on 12/22/2014 4:31:13 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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December 1...To All Employees

I’m happy to inform you that the company Christmas Party will be held on December 23rd at Luigi’s Open Pit Barbecue. There will be lots of spiked eggnog and a small band will play traditional carols...feel free to sing-along. And don’t be surprised if our CEO shows up dressed as Santa Claus to light the Christmas tree.

Exchanging gifts among employees can be done at this time. Please remember to keep gifts to the agreed $10 limit.

Merry Christmas to you and yours,

Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director


December 2...To All Employees

In no way was yesterday’s memo intended to exclude our Jewish employees. We recognize that Hanukkah is an important holiday and
often coincides with Christmas (although not this year). However, from now on we’re calling this party our Holiday Party. The same policy also applies to employees who are celebrating Kwanzaa at this time. There will be no tree or Christmas carols sung.

Happy holidays to you and yours.

Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director


December 3...To All Employees

Regarding the anonymous note I received from a member of Alcoholics Anonymous requesting a non-drinking table, I’m happy to accommodate your request but please remember that if I put a sign on the table that reads “AA Only” you won’t be anonymous any more.

In addition, we’ll no longer be having a gift exchange because union members feel that $10 is too much money.

Patti Lewis, Human Resources Director


December 7...To All Employees

I have arranged for members of Overeaters Anonymous to sit farthest away from the dessert table and for pregnant members to sit closest to the restrooms. Gays are allowed to sit with each other. Lesbians do not have to sit with gays; each group will have its own table. And, yes, there will be a flower arrangement for the gay men’s table.

Happy now?

Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director


December 9...To All Employees

People! People! Nothing sinister was intended by wanting our CEO to play Santa Claus. Even if the anagram for “Santa” does happen to be “Satan.” There is no evil connation to our own little “man in a red suit.”

Patti Lewis, Human Resources Director


December 10...To All Employees

Vegetarians! I’ve had it with you people. We’re holding this party at Luigi’s Open Pit Barbecue whether you like it or not. You can just sit at the table farthest from the “Grill of Death” as you call it, and you’ll get salad bar only including hydroponics tomatoes. Tomatoes have feelings too, you know. They scream when you slice them. I can hear them now. I hope you have a rotten holiday. Drive drunk and die, you hear me?

The Gentile from Hell!!!


December 14...To All Employees

I’m sure I speak for all of us in wishing Patty Lewis a speedy recovery from her stress-related illness. I’ll continue to forward your cards to her at the sanitarium. In the meantime management has decided to cancel the Holiday Party and give everyone the afternoon of the 23rd off with full pay.

Terri Bishop, Acting Human Resources Director


16 posted on 12/22/2014 4:35:26 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: truth_seeker
I have asked to be removed from the lists which Elsie put me on without my permission.

What 'list' would that be?

20 posted on 01/09/2015 7:03:28 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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