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To: TaMoDee; colorcountry; All
I had to go to St. George on business three times and each time I was asked: “Are you a member of The Church?”. I know in one case it cost me a sale. Remember Henry Lee, the leader of the ‘Mountain Meadow Massacre’, lead the men that came from St. George and the surviving children were parceled out to LDS families. The area was very puritanical LDS and probably remains so. (Most small towns in Utah are the same.)

For posters & lurkers who aren't aware of what the Mountain Meadow Massacre was, it was Southwest Utah, late 1850s -- when a group of almost 140 NON-MORMONS were travelling from Arkansas to CA -- were almost out of the state...

The Mormons dressed up as Indians, and got a few Indians to join an attack on the wagon train. This actually turned out to be THE first 9/11 domestic terror attack -- as one of the attack days was Sept. 11...and it resulted in the death of 120 children, moms & dads. When the people were under seige, they held off for days -- and the few Indians involved gave up; a Mormon messenger approached the group...some dying from wounds...not much water left...& offered to escort them past the "Indians"...but they would need to disarm themselves.

The Fancher-Baker party believed this subterfuge...and after walking a ways, were executed at close range...their clothes then ripped off their dead bodies...washed and worn by Southern Utah Mormons for years...their first-classes horses and other possessions stolen...and 17 babies and toddlers & a few older than that kidnapped...until the Army rescued them a few years later and gave them back to relatives.

Only one Mormon attacker was ever held accountable for these actions. Some were Lds bishops; at least one became an eventual Lds bishop -- so it wasn't like these men were disgraced within the Lds broader community. Instead, they covered up as much as possible within the Washington County and surrounding areas.

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The Mountain Meadow Massacre wasn't the only example of Southern Utah "hospitality" in the 19th century:

I read the book DOWN THE GREAT UNKNOWN: JOHN WESLEY POWELL'S 1869 JOURNEY OF DISCOVERY & TRAGEDY by Edward Dolnick (Perennial Books), 2001. Powell, of course, was the one-armed Civil War vet who became the first known white man/white party to venture down the Green/Colorado River thru the Grand Canyon.

Shortly before finishing the trip, three of his party ventured out on foot into Utah Territory...never to be heard from again other than the Mormon leaders trying to pin the deaths of the three men on Indians. [a common pattern by Mormons]

On pp. 283-285, Dolnick cites an amateur historian & former dean of the college of science @ So. Utah Univ. (Wesley Larsen) re: a letter Larsen found in 1980 in a trunk belonging to the John Steele family. Steele was a judge and a militia officer & father of the first white child born in Utah territory. The letter was written to Steele from William Leany. Both were devout Mormons. Book mentions Leany had run afoul of the Mormon church by giving an emigrant a meal & roof & veggies. Book excerpt:

"Leany's fellow Mormons charged him with giving 'aid and comfort to the enemy.' To teach him a lesson, someone clubbed him over the head, fracturing his skull and leaving him for dead. Leany survived. By 1883, he and Steele were old men. Steele evidently suggested to his good friend Leany that the time had come for them both to repent of their sins. Leany wanted no part of it. The church had blood on its hands, but he had nothing to repent. Like an Old Testament preacher, Leany thundered that 'thieving whoredom murder & Suicide & like abominations' reigned in the land. Then came the sentence that, a century later, electrified Wes Larsen: 'You are far from ignorant of those deeds of blood from the day the picket fence was broken on my head to the day those three were murdered in our ward & the murderer killed to stop the shedding of more blood.' ...Larsen... embarked on a frenzied round of detective work. The reference to 'our ward,' a local Mormon district run by a bishop, was the first clue. Leany and Steele had lived in the same ward only once through the years, in 1869. And in that same fateful year, Larsen found, only one trio of men...had been reported missing or killed in southern Utah."

"Further, Larsen learned, only weeks before the Powell expedition reached Separation Rapid, Brigham Young had traveled throughout the region warning the faithful that the long-threatened invasion of Utah by Gentiles was imminent. When 'war' came, Young warned his listeners, blood would rise 'to their knees and even to their waist and to their horses' bridle bits.' The Mormon leader ordered sentries posted at all the passes leading into southern Utah. Then, at the worst possible moment, three white strangers wandered into no-man's-land spouting a cock-and-bull story about their trip down a river that everyone knew was impassable. The three men were dragged off and executed as spies, Larsen speculates, and the news of the unsanctioned executions triumphantly telegraphed to Salt Lake City..."

"In Larsen's scenario, the next step was an exact replay of the Mormon response to the 120 killings at Mountain Meadows. First came cover-up...then a vow of silence on the part of those who knew the truth, and finally a finger of blame pinning the crime on the nearest Indians."

Bottom line: I think at least for the generational Mormons of Southern Utah (not newcomers), what's been inculcated among Mormons is distrust of non-Mormons.

16 posted on 01/29/2015 7:21:57 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Execution of John d. Lee for Mountain Meadows

He's the guy sitting on the coffin...his

18 posted on 01/29/2015 7:46:45 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Colofornian

PS

Just guessing...looks like point of the Mountain


19 posted on 01/29/2015 7:48:35 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Colofornian

You did an excellent job of explaining just went down in a few short paragraphs.
John D. Lee later “hid” for many years on the Colorado River
operating a ferry. The site is still called “Lee’s Ferry” and is located about two miles north of where AZ Hwy 89 crosses the River at Marble Canyon.
Brigham Young had full knowledge of the attack and most probably ordered it. This ‘ordering’ was never proven.
The LDS leader in Cedar City carried out this order to John D. Lee. Nothing moved in Utah without B. Young knowing.
The Mountain Meadow Massacre was finally admitted to by the
LDS Church about 10 years ago. The LDS Church Committee whitewash any involvement by B. Young.


20 posted on 01/29/2015 8:27:47 PM PST by TaMoDee (Go Pack Go! The Pack will be back in 2015!)
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