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What Caused the Reformation?
The Cripplegate, New Generation of Non-Conformists ^ | Oct 28,2014 | Nathan Busenitz, professor of theology at Cripplegate's The Master’s Seminary

Posted on 02/05/2015 9:29:51 AM PST by RnMomof7

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To: wideawake

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Wide world of circus!


21 posted on 02/05/2015 11:09:48 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

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Yes Scotland!

The old catholic stronghold.

It still openly declares itself a Pagan Nation.

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(so its still catholic)


22 posted on 02/05/2015 11:12:09 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: RnMomof7

The printing press and the desire of princes to no longer be under the thumb of the Bishop of Rome. Without either one Luther would have ended up as charred remains in some town square.


23 posted on 02/05/2015 11:18:22 AM PST by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Alex Murphy

Nothing wrong with that!


24 posted on 02/05/2015 11:30:06 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: RnMomof7
According to economist James Dale Davidson, it was the end of feudalism caused by the Black Death and the arrival of capitalism. Davidson, in his book The Great Reckoning, asked why early reformers such as Tyndale, Wycliffe and Hus failed and were burned at the stake, while Luther succeeded.

Davidson traced it to the Catholic Church’s welfare system known as “feast days”. Today we refer to the “feast of St. Anthony” but don’t connect it with a feast in terms of food. In the medieval period, it was an actual feast. There were nearly 100 feast days per year, and those under feudalism who had money (lords) were required to put on a feast almost every three days for those who didn’t (serfs and vagabonds, whom we refer to today as "bums”). The middle class participated in feast days, but that middle class was small and lacked the kind of money possessed by the lords. It wasn’t easy for the middle class of that period. The key to this was the Catholic principle that to be saved, one must have faith and perform good works. Those feast days constituted the good works for most lay Catholics.

The Black Death depopulated Europe and ended feudalism. Serfs walked off the land they had been bound to for generations. Some went into the towns and cities, started their own businesses and joined the middle class. They inundated the medieval guild system, causing it to collapse in some areas of Europe. But some serfs took on the life of vagabonds, sitting in the town squares, calling “Alms! Alms for the poor!” to every passerby.,

Put yourself in the position of a draper, a curtain maker, in a city in northern Europe. You or your ancestor left the land to which he had been bound, went into the city and built a business. You beat the guild system. You have a hard life working, but you have come to see work as something good in and of itself. Not for you is this life “a vale of tears” in preparation for Heaven. It’s the place you work to earn a living. But every three days you have to put on a feast for those bums who sit in the town square begging, and that grates on you. The Catholic price of salvation is getting a little too high.

A good example encapsulates the problem. One day you go into the town square to hire some casual labor to move large boxes of cloth around. You approach one bum and tell him you’ll pay him one silver crown for a day’s work. The bum turns you down.

“I just offered you money for some work.”

“Work? Work?! I am but a poor sparrow living on the grains removed from cow dung. This is my place, according to Holy Mother Church. Your place is to feed me every three days, according to Holy Mother Church. By faith and good works you will be saved, I will be happy to take your money, good sir, but work for it? Excuse me, sir, I see a rich man entering the square. Alms! Alms for the poor!”

You walk away from that bum ready to support anyone who can make these people work.

Along comes Luther. Unlike Tyndale, Wycliffe and Hus, he has come along after Europe has been changed by the Black Death. He has also come along when primitive capitalism is replacing feudalism. Luther says that by faith alone you will be saved.

If you are a member of the rising, but financially harassed, middle class, and you hear this message, it resonates. In my best John Wayne impersonation, you respond, “Father Luther, if that means I don’t have to support those bums in the town square anymore, then pilgrim, call me a Lutheran!”

This is an approximation, but Davidson’s belief is that all societal, and even religious, change is based on following the money. He calls it “megapolitical change”, and economist Martin Armstrong has blazed new territory in connecting historical change to capital flows.

25 posted on 02/05/2015 11:44:19 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Moonmad27; MamaB

Apparently you’ve missed the call here a couple of weeks ago for the extermination of Catholics.


26 posted on 02/05/2015 12:14:41 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring; Moonmad27; MamaB

Please show the post where someone did that please.


27 posted on 02/05/2015 12:22:29 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Alex Murphy

Sadly the church has lost expository preaching favoring topical ...leading to gross scriptural ignorance


28 posted on 02/05/2015 12:28:29 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Moonmad27
Actually hatred of Luther can be found all over the place..not just here

Rominists hate him because he confronted roman power to its face.. they put out a kill order on him ...

29 posted on 02/05/2015 12:30:30 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: DuncanWaring; Moonmad27; MamaB
Apparently you’ve missed the call here a couple of weeks ago for the extermination of Catholics.

I do not know who would suggest that other than Islam.. what "born again" Christians want is for Catholics to hear the gospel call to Christ

30 posted on 02/05/2015 12:35:32 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: CynicalBear

It was in Post 4 of http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3247138/posts


31 posted on 02/05/2015 12:38:30 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: RnMomof7
What caused the Reformation?

Roman SIN!!!


32 posted on 02/05/2015 12:42:14 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RnMomof7

What caused the COUNTER Reformation?

Polls taken by the Vatican...

33 posted on 02/05/2015 12:42:53 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Billthedrill
I'll bow out now and watch the bodies fly...

ATTENTION!

Report to the monkey cage cleanup station!

It is NOT 'bodies' that are flying today!!!

34 posted on 02/05/2015 12:44:13 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Publius
...Davidson’s belief is that all societal, and even religious, change is based on following the money.

I agree wholeheartedly!

35 posted on 02/05/2015 12:46:47 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DuncanWaring
Apparently you’ve missed the call here a couple of weeks ago for the extermination of Catholics.

Gimme a link!

I'll report on folks who are jumping on THAT bandwagon!!

36 posted on 02/05/2015 12:47:47 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: katana; RnMomof7

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>> “Without either one Luther would have ended up as charred remains in some town square.” <<

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Yes another murder to add to the millions of murders by the RCC.
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37 posted on 02/05/2015 12:48:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: DuncanWaring

So you consider one nutjob talking about just the Vatican calling for the extermination of Catholics? Hyperbole much?


38 posted on 02/05/2015 12:49:25 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: DuncanWaring; CynicalBear

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The text of that post was “The Vatican should be next.”

You have given us your interpretation, and nothing more.

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39 posted on 02/05/2015 12:53:51 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Elsie

Don’t waste you time on that one.


40 posted on 02/05/2015 12:54:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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