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Should Christians Be Hospitable to Cult Members?
Grace to You ^ | September 25, 2013 | John MacArthur

Posted on 03/09/2015 11:53:06 AM PDT by redleghunter

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To: Star Traveler
Hey! You do a good job here on Free Republic and I have always appreciated it. Just wanted to say that ... :-) ...

Thank you; but I can only take credit for posting what others have made possible...

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Thanks to Rome; for compiling and saving our Bible,
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61 posted on 03/10/2015 4:50:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
When I lived in the 4 Corners area ...

YAh-ta-hey

Now you've got me longing to return!!

62 posted on 03/10/2015 4:57:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I had a double cheese with fries and a mint Oreo® shake from Steak-n-Shake.


63 posted on 03/10/2015 5:00:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Redcitizen

Didja ever eat at the KFC in Tuba City?


64 posted on 03/10/2015 5:01:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Star Traveler
There’s a Temple in Lake Oswego, Oregon and I was there when it was first built.

There's one going up in Carmel, IN (very rich, snooty area).

I plan on being there for open house...



Cover me; I'm goin' in!

65 posted on 03/10/2015 5:04:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Star Traveler; StormPrepper
... there is NO WAY that ANYONE is going to “become a God” like Jesus ...

HOW can you SAY this???

It's right there in their SCRIPTURES!!!



The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


66 posted on 03/10/2015 5:09:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Star Traveler
... but she wanted me to become a Mormon and marry here (along with her two little kids).

Golly; that's too bad.

Look what you've missed out on...



 Proverbs 31:10-31      on steroids!!!
 
How to Identify the Perfect LDS Woman, as Identified by Focus Groups in Written Surveys and Oral Discussion
 
Cultural Artifacts
Children are active in the Church
Children's artwork/trophies
Drive minivan or suburban (or BMW=Big Mormon Wagon)
Food storage
Piano
Pictures of Christ
Pictures of married daughters
Pictures of temple
Proclamation on the Family
Wooden plaques with sayings like “Love Begins at Home,” “Return With Honor,” or “As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
Wreath on the front door that matches everyone else's because they made them in Relief Society
 
Family
Cares for home and family/has lots of kids
Children excel
Children have their jobs/chores done
Children don’t fight
Children get good grades
Confides in husband if she's sad or angry
Makes sure family reads scriptures
Drives kids around (soccer mom)
Family does everything together
Family eats dinner together
Good mother
Good wife
Helps kids with homework
Holds Family Home Evening
Home is clean but cluttered, smells like cookies or pie
Home is somewhere you want to be—feels safe, comfortable
Laundry done and folded
Lives close to extended family
 
Mother
Never yells at her children
Stay-at-home Mom
Super Mom
Throws perfect kids parties
Sings in the car
Supports husband
Well-mannered children
 
Homemaking Skills
Cans
Cleans/clean house
Cooks fabulous meals
Crochets
Cross-stitches
Decorates with homemade things
Gardens—grows lots of zucchini to share with neighbors
Knits things for humanitarian service
Makes bread
Makes breakfast/dinner
Makes cookies
Makes crafts
Makes homemade doilies
Makes jam
Quilts/ties quilts
Scrapbooks
Sews
Tole paints
Uses a tablecloth
 
Personality Traits
Bubbly
Cheerful
Compassionate
Confident
Considerate
Courageous
Creative
Dignified
Friendly
Genuine—you can tell that she really cares
Gracious
Happy
Kind
Leader
Optimistic
Organized
Patient
Proper
Reliable
Resourceful
Self-confident
Smart/educated
Trustworthy
 
Physical Characteristics
Doesn’t overeat
Dresses modestly
Exercises (e.g. speed walks around the neighborhood while pushing a stroller)
Good-looking/beautiful
Mormon mom haircut (from having 6 kids and not wanting any of them to pull it)
Well-groomed
Random Items
Attends book club
Doesn’t compete
Doesn’t swear
Explores her talents and takes her own lessons in between running her kids around
Good friend
Good neighbor
Manages money well
Never loses temper
No such thing
Plays musical instrument (esp. piano)
PTA president
Sings
Well-rounded
 
Spiritual Characteristics
Admits mistakes/doesn't have to be perfect
At peace with self
Balanced life
Charity
Christlike
Doesn't pretend to be perfect
Enduring/doesn’t complain
Forgiving
Good example
Has a testimony and shares it
Has faith
Has the heart of a child
Has a light/happy glow
Humble
Integrity
Knowledge of the gospel
Knows she is a child of God
Learns from mistakes
Loves the Lord
Loving
Makes you feel loved
Meek
Not judgmental/accepts others
Peacemaker
Sacrifices
Selfless
Spiritual
Tries to improve
Understands her role (equal with priesthood)
Virtuous/high values
Religiously Motivated Actions
Attends all church meetings
Attends temple
Does genealogy
Follows spiritual promptings
Keeps commandments/covenants
Lives her religion
Magnifies callings
Prays
Reads scriptures, and gets up early to do so
Serves others
Visiting teaching
Visits neighbors and takes them casseroles

 

67 posted on 03/10/2015 5:13:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
>>2 Timothy 1:13 What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.<<

Unless your Catholic, then you add what the popes teach. Or Mormon, then you add what Joseph Smith taught. Or Muslim, then you add what Muhammad taught.

68 posted on 03/10/2015 5:41:07 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Star Traveler
It doesn’t take a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist or EVEN an ...
69 posted on 03/10/2015 6:01:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Star Traveler
You mention Jehovahs Witnesses, and I was just saying that some cults are a bit more subtle than Mormon’s ...


 

If you have cable TV, there won’t be much on to watch.


 

 

 

 

If there isn’t much on to watch, you will answer your door whenever someone rings.


 

 

 

 

If you open your door, you will see mormons.


 

 

 

 

If you talk to mormons, they will trick you into “praying about whether something is true”.


 

 

 

 

If you rely on your feelings, you may become a mormon.


 

 

 

 

If you become a mormon, you will have to wear magic underwear!


 

 

 

 

If you wear magic underwear, people will immediately label you as a cultist.


DON’T be a cultist!
Get DirectTV.

70 posted on 03/10/2015 6:04:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Even his kids knew enough about the JW doctrines that they also could defend their beliefs from the JWs.

I would HOPE that all of us Christians are teaching our kids much better than they get in SS these days!!

WHY do young adults leave the church?

They've been taught about a whale, and baby Jesus and a giant!

They were ready for MEAT a long time ago and did NOT get it!

71 posted on 03/10/2015 6:06:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Redcitizen
I’m modern times, the Mormon girls suck in the guys as you said.

With MITT; it was just the opposite...

72 posted on 03/10/2015 6:07:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ScoochDude

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73 posted on 03/10/2015 6:08:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter; StormPrepper; Normandy; teppe

Hey!

I just POST the stuff; you’ll have to ask a REAL Mormon whether they actually FOLLOW what their scriptures say to do!


74 posted on 03/10/2015 6:27:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 49

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet to Sidney Rigdon, Parley P. Pratt, and Leman Copley, at Kirtland, Ohio, May 7, 1831. Leman Copley had embraced the gospel but still held to some of the teachings of the Shakers (United Society of Believers in Christ’s Second Appearing), to which he had formerly belonged. Some of the beliefs of the Shakers were that Christ’s Second Coming had already occurred and that He had appeared in the form of a woman, Ann Lee. They did not consider baptism by water essential. They rejected marriage and believed in a life of total celibacy. Some Shakers also forbade the eating of meat. In prefacing this revelation, Joseph Smith’s history states, “In order to have [a] more perfect understanding on the subject, I inquired of the Lord, and received the following.” The revelation refutes some of the basic concepts of the Shaker group. The aforementioned brethren took a copy of the revelation to the Shaker community (near Cleveland, Ohio) and read it to them in its entirety, but it was rejected.

1–7, The day and hour of Christ’s coming will remain unknown until He comes; 8–14, Men must repent, believe the gospel, and obey the ordinances to gain salvation; 15–16, Marriage is ordained of God; 17–21, The eating of meat is approved; 22–28, Zion will flourish and the Lamanites blossom as the rose before the Second Coming.

 Hearken unto my word, my servants Sidney, and Parley, and Leman; for behold, verily I say unto you, that I give unto you a commandment that you shall go and apreach my gospel which ye have received, even as ye have received it, unto the Shakers.

 Behold, I say unto you, that they desire to know the truth in part, but not all, for they are not aright before me and must needs repent.

 Wherefore, I send you, my servants Sidney and Parley, to preach the gospel unto them.

 And my servant Leman shall be ordained unto this work, that he may reason with them, not according to that which he has received of them, but according to that which shall be ataught him by you my servants; and by so doing I will bless him, otherwise he shall not prosper.

 Thus saith the Lord; for I am God, and have asent mine bOnly Begotten Son into the world for the credemption of the world, and have decreed that he that receiveth him shall be saved, and he that receiveth him not shall be ddamned

 And they have done unto the aSon of Man even as they listed; and he has taken his power on the bright hand of his cglory, and now reigneth in the heavens, and will reign till he descends on the earth to put all enemies dunder his feet, which time is nigh at hand—

 I, the Lord God, have spoken it; but the hour and the aday no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor shall they know until he comes.

 Wherefore, I will that all men shall repent, for all are under asin, except those which I have breserved unto myself, choly men that ye know not of.

 Wherefore, I say unto you that I have sent unto you mine everlasting acovenant, even that which was from the beginning.

 10 And that which I have promised I have so fulfilled, and the anations of the earth shall bbow to it; and, if not of themselves, they shall come down, for that which is now exalted of itself shall be laid clow of power.

 11 Wherefore, I give unto you a commandment that ye ago among this people, and say unto them, like unto mine apostle of old, whose name was bPeter:

 12 aBelieve on the name of the Lord Jesus, who was on the earth, and is to come, the beginning and the end;

 13 aRepent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, according to the holy commandment, for the remission of sins;

 14 And whoso doeth this shall receive the agift of the Holy Ghost, by the laying on of the bhands of the elders of the church.

 15 And again, verily I say unto you, that whoso aforbiddeth to marry is not ordained of God, for bmarriage is ordained of God unto man.

 16 Wherefore, it is lawful that he should have one awife, and they twain shall be bone flesh, and all this that the cearth might answer the end of its creation;

 17 And that it might be filled with the measure of man, according to his acreation bbefore the world was made.

 18 And whoso aforbiddeth to babstain from cmeats, that man should not eat the same, is not ordained of God;

 19 For, behold, the abeasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and that which cometh of the earth, is bordained for the use of man for food and for craiment, and that he might have in abundance.

 20 But it is not given that one man should apossess that which is above another, wherefore the bworld lieth in csin.

 21 And wo be unto man that asheddeth blood or that bwasteth cflesh and hath no need.

 22 And again, verily I say unto you, that the Son of Man acometh not in the form of a woman, neither of a man traveling on the earth.

 23 Wherefore, be not adeceived, but continue in steadfastness, blooking forth for the heavens to be cshaken, and the earth to tremble and to reel to and fro as a drunken man, and for the dvalleys to be exalted, and for the emountains to be made low, and for the rough places to become smooth—and all this when the angel shall sound his ftrumpet.

 24 But before the great day of the Lord shall come, aJacob shall flourish in the wilderness, and the Lamanites shall bblossom as the rose.

 25 Zion shall aflourish upon the bhills and rejoice upon the mountains, and shall be assembled together unto the place which I have appointed.

 26 Behold, I say unto you, go forth as I have commanded you; repent of all your sins; aask and ye shall receive; knock and it shall be opened unto you.

 27 Behold, I will go before you and be your arearward; and I will be in your bmidst, and you shall not be cconfounded.

 28 Behold, I am Jesus Christ, and I come aquickly. Even so. Amen.

 

 

 

 

75 posted on 03/10/2015 6:32:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

And, for those with a short attention span...



 
What's for dinner?
 

D&C 49:18-19 

18 And whoso forbiddeth to abstain from meats, that man should not eat the same, is not ordained of God;
19 For, behold, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and that which cometh of the earth, is ordained for the use of man for food and for raiment, and that he might have in
abundance.

D&C 89:12-13 

12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.


76 posted on 03/10/2015 6:33:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Star Traveler
... there is NO WAY that ANYONE is going to “become a God” like Jesus ...

HOW can you SAY this???

It's right there in their SCRIPTURES!!!

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132


Oh lets not limited it to just section 132. Let's get a broad reading.

Romans 8:
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

a "joint-heir" means equal with. Glorified together with Christ. Angels are not glorified. Only God the Father and those He exalts to be "gods" are glorified.

This is why "works" is part of salvation. A person who receives this level of reward can not have any level of rebellion in them. They have to prove they are completely obedient to God the Father.

This is where Jesus Christ comes in. Jesus accomplished two things.

1. He over came physical death. This allows everyone that has ever been born or will be born to be resurrected.
2. He over came spiritual death. Meaning, His payment for sin can be applied to us if we repent to make up for our own short comings and failures. In other words, it grants us mercy at the judgement.

Doctrine and Covenants section 76:
53 And who overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, which the Father sheds forth upon all those who are just and true.

54 They are they who are the church of the Firstborn.

55 They are they into whose hands the Father has given all things—

56 They are they who are priests and kings, who have received of his fulness, and of his glory;

57 And are priests of the Most High, after the order of Melchizedek, which was after the order of Enoch, which was after the order of the Only Begotten Son.

58 Wherefore, as it is written, they are gods, even the sons of God—

59 Wherefore, all things are theirs, whether life or death, or things present, or things to come, all are theirs and they are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.

60 And they shall overcome all things.

61 Wherefore, let no man glory in man, but rather let him glory in God, who shall subdue all enemies under his feet.

62 These shall dwell in the presence of God and his Christ forever and ever.
77 posted on 03/10/2015 7:50:04 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: Elsie
Sounded Trollie, didn't it? Forgive me. I have a love/hate relationship with this place. All I really want is a love/love relationship, but a lot of judging and hating goes on here.

I think a lot of folks ain't receiving what Jesus was transmitting. Our lives are judged on how well we love. People here want to push back on people. I get that but we are not fighting other people, but principalities, the rulers of darkness. Satan has them right where he wants them.

I was having a bad day yesterday, sorry. Please ignore me.
78 posted on 03/10/2015 7:52:38 AM PDT by ScoochDude
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To: StormPrepper; Elsie

Look ... I don’t even like talking to cult group members or listening to quotes from the garbage that they use, in falsely presenting it as authoritative, like the Bible is. So don’t bother me with it.

I spent a whole life listening to garbage from others which is going to send them straight to hell ... and now that I’m retired, I don’t want any of that garbage contaminating me.


79 posted on 03/10/2015 8:00:06 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Elsie

Like what he just said. Is that the proper response? How loving. He’s a Christian, but I guess he’s retired now, and can’t love people anymore.


80 posted on 03/10/2015 8:10:09 AM PDT by ScoochDude
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