Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching

The Disciplers ^ | 2011 | Ptr. Vince

[StormPrepper]

So God, who cannot lie, says He knows of no other God beside Him, but it's a lie.

Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

That's not what God is saying at all. God is a God of order. He is saying worship only our Heavenly Father in the name of His Son. The complete organization of heaven has not been revealed. Only what we need to know during this probationary period or test of mortal life.

God does not need worship. Worship is there to promote humility, among other positive attributes, in us.

You claim that I limit my knowledge of God by not realizing that He is lying to me in the bible.

I made no such claim in any way.

You DO limit your knowledge of God by refusing to believe that God has the power to reveal more of His words to us. The power to call prophets. You deny these things.

Rev 11 is proof that God calls prophets in the last days.

Paul prophesied that false religions would have a form of Godliness. Which means it's not real. And they deny the power of God.

I believe that God's power is limitless. That He has many things left to reveal to man. I believe in personal revelation. I believe there are much much more scripture to be given. Prophets to be called and miracles to be shown. I don't limit God's power at all. So Paul wasn't talking about me or my Church.

However, you believe that God doesn't call prophets. You won't accept any new scripture, etc... thus in reality, limiting God's power in relation to what He can do in your life.

BTW, God has never stated that He would limit His words. That's a product of the great apostasy.

[DungeonMaster]

You have used an awful lot of words to say that when God says He is the only God, that He is lying. Yet you are saying that He is with holding the truth from us. God whose son IS THE TRUTH, doesn’t tell us the truth. He tells the truth to Joe Smith while Joe is using the tools of paganism, like magic glasses looking into a hat.

[StormPrepper]

[Syncro]Yes, true for Christians. Not for Mormons. Joseph Smith REJECTED all of Christianity as he was creating the religion of the LDS.

No, God is the Father of all man.

Would "Christians" be the ones baptizing babies or the ones that refuse to baptize babies? Because they both can't be right.

The "god" of this world is satan, affectionately called "Heavenly Father" by Mormons.

You are gravely mistaken. My Heavenly Father is the Father if Jesus Christ.

Remember he separated Mormonism from Christianity (my, the things he said about Christians was horrible, he HATED them) when he started the cult and it remains that way to this day.

Jesus, Paul, Amos, and John separated the Latter-day Saints from modern Christianity as well.

"HATED"? I see no hate in his words. Did Paul hate when he gave his prophetic warnings? Did Jesus?

If you want to dwell with God and be a brother of Christians instead of Lucifer, let me know. It's real easy. A free gift that costs you everything. But promises you eternal life with God.

In reality, you have nothing. Your churches have had no direct communication from God in 2000 years. You limit God's words to a few books. You have no real explanation for what 90% of the words of God even mean.

Even to this day, your churches argue over the simplest things like infant baptism.

Modern "Christianity" has no clue about Rev 11. They are bumbling along hoping it all comes out in the wash.

You know a huge difference between your churches and the LDS Church is? We take the warnings in the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price very seriously. We point those warnings back at ourselves and ask, "Could this be me?"

Modern "Christianity" takes just the warnings in the Bible, and points them at everyone but themselves. It's always the other guy who's going to hell.

"let me know."

Let you know? And what will you do? Tell me to give up all the knowledge God has given me? Teach me that God doesn't talk to man? Limit my scripture to a few books that you approve of? Tell me to ignore the warnings in the Bible? Blind me to the history of how your churches came into being? How can that possibly prepare me to meet God?

[StormPrepper]

You have used an awful lot of words to say that when God says He is the only God, that He is lying. Yet you are saying that He is with holding the truth from us. God whose son IS THE TRUTH, doesn’t tell us the truth. He tells the truth to Joe Smith while Joe is using the tools of paganism, like magic glasses looking into a hat.

Nehemiah 7:
64 These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but it was not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood.

65 And the Tirshatha said unto them, that they should not eat of the most holy things, till there stood up a priest with Urim and Thummim.

The Urim and Thummim were seer stones given to the prophet by God as a tool to help man. As versus 64-65 show above, they couldn't find the information they were looking for until they used the Urim and Thummim.

God doesn't lie. But God doesn't reveal everything to man either. It's up to God how much information He gives us. But He always works through a prophet. That's been the pattern since Adam.

Maybe Joseph used a hat to cut down the glare in the Urim and Thummim. I don't know and I don't care. What difference does it make?

[StormPrepper]

Lds reference Jesus a fair amount as "elder brother." Yet in their mind, Satan is "Elder Brother," too!

ALL: As so often the case with Colofornian's commentaries, they're always lacking in complete truth.

Yet in their mind, Satan is "Elder Brother," too!

Notice the mind reading. I've never heard anyone say Satan was our "Elder Brother", ever. But Colofornian says I'm thinking it, though. Well, I'm not. *sigh

No one knows exactly where on the pecking order Lucifer was before he rebelled. Don't know. Don't care.

[DungeonMaster]

God doesn't lie. But God doesn't reveal everything to man either. It's up to God how much information He gives us. But He always works through a prophet. That's been the pattern since Adam.

So God told Moses that He made the sun, moon and stars. Of course he was only talking to Moses and not Joe so we can't really believe it but here is a question. Did God create all of the stars in this universe? Does that mean that God's Father has His own universe where He created all of those stars. So God's other two grand fathers would each have their own universe with their own stars right? By stars I mean all of the galaxies or are all of these gods sharing this one universe?

[StormPrepper]

So God told Moses that He made the sun, moon and stars. Of course he was only talking to Moses and not Joe so we can't really believe it but here is a question.

Why can't we believe it? If you're trying to understand God's creations you have to look at all that God has said, not just one thing.

It also depends on the level of understanding of the audience that the prophet was writing to. Moses' version of the story of the creation isn't going to discuss molecular biology, even though the Lord created all the laws of science.

We can take this point for all the doctrines. To fully understand it just from the writings, you have to have all the Lord has said on the subject.

By stars I mean all of the galaxies or are all of these gods sharing this one universe?

I don't speculate on these things. God hasn't revealed all the laws, goings, and comings in the eternities. But He has promised to make everything known to those that receive His glory. I trust in that.

[Colofornian]

Notice the mind reading. I've never heard anyone say Satan was our "Elder Brother", ever.

Of course not! (Why shine a light on ugly doctrine that puts Jesus in almost the exact same "premortal" camp as Satan?)

[DungeonMaster]

Why can't we believe it?

Because He is the same God who keeps telling everyone He is the only God. Then along comes Joseph Smith who gets the really true stuff.

So Mormons are content to imagine an infinite number of Gods but won't say if they are in this universe or multiple universes? Hmmmm.

[Colofornian]

Notice the mind reading. I've never heard anyone say Satan was our "Elder Brother", ever.

Lds "apostle" Russell Ballard, circa 2010:

From the article linked below:
"You remember Mr. (Mike) Huckabee (who was also vying to be the Republican candidate for president), who among other things said that Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil were brothers?" Ballard asked students. "Remember that? It went all over the media. "Well they are!" Ballard exclaimed to a laughing student body.
Here, we have an Lds general authority conceding that -- to quote him "Well they are!" in reference to the issue of whether "Jesus and the devil are brothers."

Now in case someone views that this information needs to be suppressed...not let it become aired out...or they think that we are overriding realities in our assessments of Mormonism, Elder Ballard concedes at this fireside chat adding:
"But they (the media and nonmembers) don't understand that, because they don't have the (LDS gospel) restoration. They don't understand the spiritual relationship that ... we are all sons and daughters of God, and that Lucifer was one of those and (that) he chose to use his agency in an unrighteous way."

Ballard speaks on Mormons in the media

I remember so many Mormons' reactions on and off FR...acting all offended. And yet, to paraphrase Ballard, who then came out and said, "Yup. What Huckabee said was 'so.' It's just that those non-restoration folks simply don't understand our belief system."

[StormPrepper]

Notice the mind reading. I've never heard anyone say Satan was our "Elder Brother", ever.

Lds "apostle" Russell Ballard, circa 2010:

So?? Notice nowhere is the term "Elder Brother" like is used to describe Christ.

We never refer to Lucifer as "Elder Brother" like you claimed. You fail at mind reading.

I said many times that Lucifer is part of the human family and is our brother. So you run off and find a quote that proves me right... cool.

[StormPrepper]

Then along comes Joseph Smith who gets the really true stuff.

A living prophet can give the correct context and expound on the doctrine to reveal more as God wills it.

You are relying on your own interpretations of ancient text and refuse to except that there might be more. Unfortunately you won't understand what this really means until you either leave this life or faced with the events just prior to the second coming.

Imagine the Lord saying the following:

"Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?"

"Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also."

"Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written."

"For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them;"

What part of that could not possibly be true?

[Colofornian]

We NEVER refer to Lucifer as "Elder Brother" like you claimed. You fail at mind reading.

Never? (I guess you just don't speak for all Mormons or Mormon general authorities like you think you do)

I expect a humbling acknowledgement here that you are wrong, or were simply mistaken:

1

“..That Lucifer, the son of the morning, is our elder brother and the brother of Jesus Christ.” (Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon doctrine pp.163-164)

2

Elder Trevor Christensen, who was serving as a Mormon missionary in the Florida Tallahassee Mission. Here's what "Elder" Christensen blogged:

"There was one thing needed, a Savior, an ultimate and eternal sacrifice. Lucifer, or Satan, his name means "Son of the Morning" meaning that he was a very choice spirit of our Heavenly Father, offered himself to be the sacrifice so that all will be saved no matter what, but he wanted all the glory to be his, and not our Father's. Christ then offered himself as the sacrifice and said the glory should go to our Father. Christ is our elder brother, Lucifer is our elder brother, we all are sons and daughters of God, so therefore, Satan and Christ are brothers.
Where'd all the good people go? (Sept. 28, 2009)

3

Lds "prophet" Spencer W. Kimball, in mentioning the Mormon jesus, cited this jesus as referencing Satan as "his brother" in an official Lds publication...so not sure why the cartwheels on your part to avoid such a reference:

Perhaps his brother, Lucifer, had heard him say when he was still but a lad of twelve: “Wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?” (Luke 2:49).
Ensign, December, 1980: Jesus of Nazareth

[Colofornian]

We NEVER refer to Lucifer as "Elder Brother" like you claimed. You fail at mind reading.

Never? (Shall I keep going?)

4

"You will recall that Lucifer, our elder brother, proposed that he should be sent to this earth as our savior."
Marie Fox Felt, The Instructor, May 1941

[Colofornian]

We NEVER refer to Lucifer as "Elder Brother" like you claimed. You fail at mind reading.

Never? (Shall I keep going?)

5

Here's a Mormon writing online who concludes "The LDS gospel is very different than any other that has ever known to exist. Philosophically speaking it is the only form of Christianity that makes any sense." (So you know he's a faithful Mormon).

In that same July 11, 2012 post, he (Water Dog) wrote:

4) Premortal - Christ our elder brother, Satan also our elder brother.

MormonDiscussions.com: For Water Dog: Wildly unique concepts in the Book of Mormon?

[DungeonMaster]

I don’t need to imagine the Lord saying anything. I have what He said/says and it is complete.

[StormPrepper]

I don’t need to imagine the Lord saying anything.

Faith is the hope of things unseen that are true. How can you possibly claim to have faith in Christ, when you refuse to believe He has the power to speak to man?

and it is complete.

Do you have any evidence of the Lord stating this?

[DungeonMaster]

Do you have any evidence of the Lord stating this?

Not enough for you.

[StormPrepper]

Never? (Shall I keep going?)

This is just pathetic. You spend all week crawling through every part of the internet trying to find someone at some point in history that has ever put the words "elder" and "brother" together when referring to Lucifer. LOL!

You found a couple blog posts by individuals.... and a couple written pieces that described his chronological position...

But no where is Lucifer given the same titles as Jesus. Can't find it in instructions manuals, or from a prophet of the Church. You even quote Spencer W. Kimball who doesn't say it at all. What, were you hoping to score points on association? LOL!

There have always been people like you Colofornian. And there always will be. We have been promised that your works are in vain. You nor any of your ilk will ever stop this work.

Let's be honest, if your message was powerful enough and if the Lord was really behind you, you wouldn't have to resort to these tactics would you?

[StormPrepper]

Not enough for you.

Fair enough.