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To: pastorbillrandles
Who is the mysterious woman, writhing in agony of birth, seen in the vision of the apostle John in Revelation 12?

Her name is מִרְיָם which you know as Miriam or Mary.
She is the virgin of Israel who bore the man child whose name is called עִמָּ֫נוּאֵ֫ל which means "God with us."

9 posted on 05/10/2015 9:11:17 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Her name is מִרְיָם which you know as Miriam or Mary.
She is the virgin of Israel who bore the man child whose name is called עִמָּ֫נוּאֵ֫ל which means "God with us."

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

CCC 491, “Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854: The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.”

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Notice that part of the curse is pain in childbirth. This is why women suffer during the birth process. So, when we look back to the text of Revelation 12:1-2, we see that the woman clothed with the sun is suffering birth pain. Since the Roman Catholic position is that Mary could not be suffering birth pain (because of her Immaculate Conception and no Original Sin), then these verses cannot be about Mary.

Sure makes your Catholic religion look stupid when it contradicts itself (as well as the scriptures)...

12 posted on 05/10/2015 11:32:26 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: af_vet_1981
Her name is מִרְיָם which you know as Miriam or Mary. She is the virgin of Israel who bore the man child whose name is called עִמָּ֫נוּאֵ֫ל which means "God with us."

Believed only because Rome wants to make her a goddess.

14 posted on 05/10/2015 12:57:07 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: af_vet_1981
Her name is מִרְיָם which you know as Miriam or Mary. She is the virgin of Israel who bore the man child whose name is called עִמָּ֫נוּאֵ֫ל which means "God with us."

It doesn't say so in Revelation so claiming it is Mary is pure speculation.

18 posted on 05/10/2015 4:33:22 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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