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To: Alex Murphy; Morgana
The only "whitewashing of history" is that being performed by the author. Writing the Roman Church out is, in fact, the most charitable treatment possible.

In the real world, not only was the Roman Church opposed to Magna Carta, the supposed Bishops "behind" the charter didn't manage to arrive there until almost forty years after the charter was signed, and only then in response to receiving an agree for an enormous tax increase.

http://www.bl.uk/collection-items/the-papal-bull-annulling-magna-carta

At the link:

[Pope] Innocent III had already sent a string of letters to England berating the [Magna Carta] barons. Now he explained how, ‘by such violence and fear as might affect the most courageous of men’, they had forced John to accept an agreement ‘illegal, unjust, harmful to royal rights and shameful to the English people’. The Pope declared Magna Carta ‘null, and void of all validity for ever’, a judgement which reached England the following month.

Twenty five of the barons supporting it were excommunicated. The Bull [how appropriate] threatened excommunication to anyone who attempted to enforce the charter.

7 posted on 06/16/2015 9:20:23 AM PDT by FredZarguna (It's GLASHOW-Weinberg-Salam, dammit!)
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To: FredZarguna
The Protestant Reformation was the best thing that ever happened to the Roman Catholic Church. By instituting a free debate of religion and forcing the church to concentrate on theology and charitable works rather than government and all the corruption which that entails, it became a unified and credible force for good by the time the various Protestant factions devolved into fighting among themselves by the late 17th century.

It was Catholic armies which stopped the invasion of the Muslim hordes at the gates of Vienna and Catholic navies which stopped the Muslim hordes off the shores of Lepanto at the very same time that John Calvin was having people beheaded and burned at the stake in Switzerland for disagreeing with his theology.

This doesn't excuse the crimes of the Catholic Church as a corrupt wielder of political power in the two centuries or so before these events, but it does put it into perspective.

8 posted on 06/16/2015 10:01:13 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: FredZarguna
The only "whitewashing of history" is that being performed by the author. Writing the Roman Church out is, in fact, the most charitable treatment possible. In the real world, not only was the Roman Church opposed to Magna Carta, the supposed Bishops "behind" the charter didn't manage to arrive there until almost forty years after the charter was signed, and only then in response to receiving an agree for an enormous tax increase....Twenty five of the barons supporting it were excommunicated. The Bull [how appropriate] threatened excommunication to anyone who attempted to enforce the charter.

Did you know that some episodes of The Brady Bunch are considered part of the Catholic Church's infallible magisterium?

Brady Bunch Jesse James
"Aw dad, He wouldn't shoot anybody! He's a real great guy! Jesse James is my hero."


11 posted on 06/16/2015 10:34:25 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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