Posted on 07/06/2015 7:37:24 AM PDT by NYer
The graph is written poorly.
I am making the assumption 25% agree and because that falls under 50% then they disagree.
No one’s hands are clean, why are you not answering the question?
OK, maybe I’m crazy, but does anybody else get the idea that churches are using this whole issue as a selling point? That despite their agenda, or perhaps because of it, gay people are being welcomed (or perhaps used?) by the smaller denominations, and splinter groups off larger ones, looking to increase member numbers and have found an issue they can bank on? Just a thought...
and all were Catholic. The first printed by Guttenberg were Catholic.
He already did in the gospel of Matthew 19:4-5 ... “4 And he answered and said, Have ye not read, that He who made [them] from the beginning made them male and female, 5, and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh?”
Two men cannot become one flesh, not in the Biblical sense.
bkmk
The whole bible is “what Jesus said”. Just look at what He has already said.
Honestly, I don’t think that was the main point of the article, especially if you look at the charts. I saw Catholic denominations in there I’ve never heard of before. This appears to be aimed more at the idea of people who support gay marriage taking the Bible out of context and deciding for themselves that it’s ok.
“... why are you not answering the question?”
I don’t want to encourage your attempt to derail the discussion.
Since you do not explain how you fall under the exception, it is only possible to provide some qualification. Jesus’ and Paul’s constant and forceful teaching about the permanence of sacramental marriage as recorded elsewhere in Scripture makes it clear that Jesus was not making an exception in the case of valid, sacramental marriages. The constant teaching of the Catholic Church attests to this as well.
t is important to note that in Jesus’ teaching about marriage and divorce, his concern was with the presumption that divorce actually ends a sacramental marriage and enables the spouses to remarry. He said to his disciples, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery" (Mark 10:11–12). But divorce that does not presume to end a sacramental marriage (e.g., divorce intended only to legally separate the spouses) is not necessarily evil.
Paul’s teaching agrees with this: "To the married I give charge, not I but the Lord, that the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, let her remain single or else be reconciled to her husband)—and that the husband should not divorce his wife" (1 Cor. 7:10–11). Paul understood that divorce is a terrible thing, yet it is sometimes a reality. Even so, divorce does not end a sacramental marriage.
I think you’re right, that’s the author’s (intended) point but he fails miserably. The two graphs are conflicting as far as I can tell, and they are even in the same year from the same poll. Something stinks, like stale French fries.
As best as I can figure the second graph represents a greater breakdown of both Protestant groups and Catholic ones, as well as independent Christian groups. I really can’t tell though. Maybe I’m missing something.
Having to go door to door does give them a unique perspective, I think. Imagine going to a stranger's home and a "married" same sex couple tries to push their agenda while you're trying to preach what you believe in your heart is the Word of God. That's gotta be a tough one...
The Christian church, as an earthly organization, recognized the Word of God .....(John 10:27). It didn’t give us the Word of God.
Also, it was the Jews who gave us the Old Testament. The authenticity of the New Testament documents rests in the inspiration of God through the apostles—not the Catholic Church.
Furthermore, the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Old Testament... The Jews did.... How can the RCC claim it gave us the Bible when it did not give us the Old Testament?
Finally, when the Catholic Church claims that it is the source of the sacred Scriptures, it is, in effect, placing itself above the Word of God by claiming that through its authority we received the Word of God.
https://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-give-us-our-bible
The New Testament as it exists today was in circulation and recognized as inspired long before the Council of Nicæa. All of the books that comprise the New Testament were written by AD 95. Even during Paul’s lifetime, his letters were already in circulation among the early believers. Paul instructed the members in Colossæ: “Now when this epistle is read among you, see that it is read also in the church of the Laodiceans, and that you likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.” (Colossians 4:16, NKJV. See also, 1 Thessalonians 5:27.)
The Christian church, as an earthly organization, recognized the Word of God .....(John 10:27). It didn’t give us the Word of God.
Also, it was the Jews who gave us the Old Testament. The authenticity of the New Testament documents rests in the inspiration of God through the apostles—not the Catholic Church.
Furthermore, the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Old Testament... The Jews did.... How can the RCC claim it gave us the Bible when it did not give us the Old Testament?
Finally, when the Catholic Church claims that it is the source of the sacred Scriptures, it is, in effect, placing itself above the Word of God by claiming that through its authority we received the Word of God.
https://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-give-us-our-bible
The New Testament as it exists today was in circulation and recognized as inspired long before the Council of Nicæa. All of the books that comprise the New Testament were written by AD 95. Even during Paul’s lifetime, his letters were already in circulation among the early believers. Paul instructed the members in Colossæ: “Now when this epistle is read among you, see that it is read also in the church of the Laodiceans, and that you likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.” (Colossians 4:16, NKJV. See also, 1 Thessalonians 5:27.)
How many Protestants are on the SC? Kennedy calls himself Catholic, but what denom.’s did the other assenting judges belong to? No sarcasm intended, just curious.
Matthew 19:9
NIV: And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.So, Jesus Himself said that there was an exception for divorce if a man's wife commits adultery. Mine first wife did. Am I the sinner who has corrupted the faith and brought about gay marriage?
NLT: And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery--unless his wife has been unfaithful.
KJV: And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Denomination of Justices that voted for Roe v. Wade
Majority
Harry Blackmun Methodist.
Warren Burger Presbyterian
William O. Douglas Presbyterian
William J. Brennan Roman Catholic
Potter Stewart Episcopalian
Thurgood Marshall Episcopalian
Lewis F. Powell, Jr. Presbyterian
Minority
Byron White Episcopalian
William Rehnquist Lutheran
Interesting theory.
Let’s correct the lie right out of the gate.
Luther did not start the division of Christians. The Catholic church did that by collecting money to buy people out of purgatory and torturing and killing Catholics. Corrupt, unholy Popes did not help either. Today the queering of the church shows it is still not reformed and I am glad, as a Christian, I glad Christians can get out of that hell hole. Look carefully at he current pope as he joins communist Barack for the goal of or global rule and oppression (in the name of a lie - global warming) and demands a Christians all unite under the Catholic Church (him) for “peace.”
I love Catholics; grew up as one. Good Catholic teachers and priests formed my deep and loving relationship with Jesus. My family is still Catholic. I just don’t like the bosses who put their nasty selves between Jesus and Christians much. Absolute power corrupts. Not church officials are nasty and I love them. But the church, because of he evil that thrives there, is dangerous.
God protected Luther from being murdered by Catholic authorities because he dared tell the truth. The Luthern church I went to had a traditional Christian catechism and members had to attend classes and agree to it in order to join the church.
Six Catholics, three Jews, no Protestants.
“Shouldn’t the Church be excommunicating these people?” (Catholic Caucus)
The Vortex—Excommunicate Them, All of Them! (Catholic Caucus)
Supreme Court, Either Catholic or Jewish
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