Posted on 08/11/2015 10:54:33 AM PDT by cleghornboy
And Heaven help the woman who tries to get one of the old time IFB preachers to give an inch on the “Fundamentals”. We are also IFB and my oldest, 19 year old daughter, had a run in with a preacher who had been divorced and stayed the preacher. His “new” wife and my daughter had “words” while I was not in ear shot.
You might be right. I’m not aware of those stats. Generally the catholic church has the same problem of declining membership that the mainline protestant churches have. My church has plenty of refugees from mainline protestant churches as well—including me.
You might be right. I’m not aware of those stats. Generally the catholic church has the same problem of declining membership that the mainline protestant churches have. My church has plenty of refugees from mainline protestant churches as well. The mainline protestant churches don’ care much for men either.
Jenkins said there has been no formal study comparing denominations for rates of child abuse. However, insurers have been assessing the risks since they began offering riders on liability policies in the 1980s. Two of the largest insurers report no higher risks in covering Catholic churches than Protestant denominations (Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests).
The idea that there's some nutty "doctrine" among priests that results in sexual abuse, has been debunked time and time again.
I would say, though, that if fathers or mothers have some founded cause to think their child might be at risk of being abused, they should get them out of that situation pronto, without waiting for some formal indictment to surface.
And that goes not just for churches --- any church --- but also Parks & Rec programs, sports teams, youth groups, mentoring arrangements, hiking/outdoors organizations, medical or counseling settings, summer camp, PUBLIC or PRIVATE SCHOOL, or any other organization that attracts youth and therefore is attractive to perverters of youth.
All parents should take this seriously.
I can't, and wouldn't want to, compare the two in any way, except to note that they both have strong male leadership and participation, place greater expectations on their members, and tend to be rather more rigorous, than the more casual, easy-believing, non-demanding, faith communities.
These are my impressions. Want to comment?
We have a few womyn pastors around here and it’s awkward. The men are very uncomfortable and the women think it’s great. I haven’t asked those I know who attend the churches if membership and/or tithing is down. If I had to bet, knowing the local population, both are down. It’s really sad. My husband and I both agree that our daughters will never be alterboys. It’s just not going to happen.
An old IFB pracher, Dave Hardy, once said. If I’m gonna be a bear, I wanna be a grizzly.
**Well stated. This is a society problem, not a Catholic one.**
Amen!
Men, go back to eating meat and vegetables and dump all the add-ins in processed food......that has great bearing on what is happening in our society.
Too bad that you don’t know that the seminaries were cleaned up when Benedict XVI was Pope.
He sent teams to inspect monasteries and seminaries and set down rules for them.
Anyone applying for the priesthood today must follow those rules, among them,
Two day psyche exam
Parents interviewed on several occasions
Home church pastor interviewed
Friends and co-workers interviewed.
I don’t think you need to worry now. There’s a good weeding out process in place.
Want to comment?
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Also growing are Christian evangelical congregations which also have strong male leadership and participation. Their doctrine is also quite rigorous. To get greater participation they motivate a bit differently than islam or lds.
....Although I have heard that abroad, I believed Ireland that in the last year or two there was some horrible sex abuse scandal or two, not sure.
We are Catholic and lived in Utah for many years and raised our son there. I have great respect for the LDS Church and LDS people and witnessed the strength of their community in passing along great values to their children. The mission program I think is especially beneficial to young men and helps direct them on right paths at an age when the outside world temptations are great. Don’t know if that is what does it or not but it seems to be an idea that has many benefits. Our son, though not LDS, surely benefited from the good influence around him during his growing up years.
The seminaries inspected were in the United States due to all the accusations of priests. I have no knowledge of other countries.
I have a friend whose daughter married one of those fellows just back from mission. That is their instruction — now get married.
Her parents, being Catholic, were considered infidels and could not attend their own daughter’s wedding.
There IS another side to the Mormon Church — and it’s not good.
Oh okay, it was the USA. Thank-you!
Typically guys who tune out at church are also guys who tune out at home. They figure they did their bit by earning income to pay for the house and food etc. A lot of the business of church is to get men to be engaged in their communities and engaged at home as fathers. If they’re not engaging the men—then they’re not doing their job.
It used to be in the PCUSA —of which I was once a member 30 years ago —that the male pastors would basically preach to the women who would in turn jerk the tithe out of their husbands. This created a relationship of screaming mutual contempt between the pastors and the men. The sons figured this out so proper presbyterian young men left the church. The PCUSA-which is the liberal side of the presbyterian church — for about 40 years has had 3% annual declines. I did some research on this about 10 years ago and discovered that most of the people leaving the church were young women. Why? Because the young men never returned after they went away for college. So in their late 20’s and 30’s the young women left as well in search of young men. In the last couple years after the PCUSA decided to bless all sex—the decline in membership has gone up to about 10% annually.
Doctrine is incredibly important. What killed the mainline protestant churches in Europe and now in the USA was and is a low view of Christ. That Jesus is just a man. and not also fully God. The problem here is that if you believe that Jesus is just a man— what you have for the central mystery of Christianity is.... a human sacrifice. That puts you on the same moral plane as Aztec priests cutting the hearts out of captives and offering them to their gods. Basically a church that has the low view of Christ has no more power than what the people can gin up among themselves—which is precious little.
My understanding is that the Catholic church has a similar problem with Liberation Theology which also in effect takes the low view of Christ.
And of course for some mysterious reason related to the human condition—human sacrifice is always accompanied by homosexuality.
The problem is that society as a whole —starting at the very top — has gone bad. When ever a church tries to line up with contemporary ethics — which are essentially unscripturally androgynous— the church dies. Why? because there’s no point in going to church anymore.
Then you have the traditionalists here who excommunicate all such, even if leadership treats them as members in life and in death, and reject parts of V2, and scoff at the popes latest encyclical as requiring any assent, while criticizing us evangelicals for ascertaining the validity of teaching by examining the Scripture, and require us to submit to Rome.
I do this as well, as well as receiving communion the old fashioned way. If they had an altar rail option I would use it.
I viewed the mission program as an impediment to military service resulting in Utah having the smallest number of veterans as a percentage of their population.
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