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Fr. Hopko characterizes the gradual (but as of yet, fruitless) movement for reconciliation on the Filioque as the Latin Church realizing that she's been in error and essentially stalling for a gracious way of backtracking to a pre-Filioque Credo. I don't this is the case in reality, considering that the issue has been authoritatively spoken on by a number of councils. I do recall an Orthodox bishop (Bishop Ware(?)) stating the issue is more semantic than doctrinal, which I think unfortunately is the attitude of people who want this whole disagreement to just go away for the sake of unity...Were it only that easy.

The Orthodox seem to err in a) attaching undue importance to that particular line of the Credo being a direct quote from the Bible, at the expense of fully explaining the matter, and b) jumping through hoops to develop a theology that explains away Gal 4:6, Rom 8:9, Phil 1:19, and Christ's sending of the Holy Ghost in Luke 24:49; John 15:26; 16:7; 20:22; Acts 2:33; Titus 3:6. Just because John 15:26 states the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father, it doesn't by extension require that the Holy Ghost not also proceed from the Son. Scripture refers to the Holy Ghost as both the Spirit of the Father AND the Spirit of the Son, and Christ's own words in John 16:15, in my opinion, settle the matter. ALL that is the Father's is the Son's, in a way we are not capable of understanding.

I would like to find that paper "Spirit of God, Spirit of Christ," but I would point out that the Catholic Church is not a member of the WCC (although certain heretical sects claiming to the Catholic Church are members), and hence, I regard the paper with skepticism until I see which, if any, Catholic theologians contributed.

2 posted on 10/09/2015 3:28:32 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Exsurge, Domine, et judica causam tuam)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
I do recall an Orthodox bishop (Bishop Ware(?)) stating the issue is more semantic than doctrinal, which I think unfortunately is the attitude of people who want this whole disagreement to just go away for the sake of unity...Were it only that easy.

I've heard Metropolitan Zizioulas make the argument. I doubt either he or Bishop Ware want the issue to "go away".

We shouldn't forget that there is a pre-Filioque Credo in the Latin Church. When the Creed is sung in Greek at Rome it is sung without the filioque.

The idea as I've heard it is that Greek ekporeuein and Latin procedere do not mean exactly the same thing. The Greek implies procession from an ultimate source, while the Latin can admit a procession through intermediates: similar to the old Greek formula "proceeds from the Father through (dia) the Son". If that proves to be the case, it has really been an issue of semantics all along.

3 posted on 10/09/2015 4:30:43 PM PDT by Claud
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