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The Lordship of the Man Jesus Is Basic
Man: The Dwelling Place of God ^ | A.W. Tozer

Posted on 10/19/2015 5:52:10 PM PDT by metmom

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1 posted on 10/19/2015 5:52:10 PM PDT by metmom
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2 posted on 10/19/2015 5:52:57 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

We lack less a Christ “ology” (the bible is plain enough) as we do a credible living Christ witness. And that blame can be laid squarely on the shoulders of modern Christendom, at least until they choose to lay it on Christ’s shoulders and beseech God to help do something about it.

Are we LIVING like an extremely sacrificially loving Lord is our Lord? Sadly so very often the answer is turning out to be no....


3 posted on 10/19/2015 5:57:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

When Christians live up to the light revealed to them already, God will reveal more.

People these days are experience junkies and simply want to experience the latest spiritual fad high.

None of that laying one’s life down for a friend stuff, or going the extra mile. Just affirm everyone where they’re at, make them feel good about themselves, offer a risk free, soft, comfortable, health, wealth, and prosperity preaching and forget counting the cost.

People aren’t coming to Christ because we aren’t holding up a Christ worth coming to.


4 posted on 10/19/2015 6:06:59 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; metmom

You’re right, we have made Him our righteous Savior, but too frequently we Christians forget about the Lord part, the obedience part.


5 posted on 10/19/2015 6:07:37 PM PDT by PROCON (A proud CRUZader.)
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To: metmom

I think you are sneaking in an “earn” part, and that is just bogus.

The actual gospel promise is to hunger and thirst for righteousness and be filled. You don’t have to be Mr. Fatso in order to validly hunger.


6 posted on 10/19/2015 6:09:10 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: PROCON

And there immediately is obvious a problem here. “Made Him.” Well, some Jews tried to “make Him” a king. He refused. Wrong attitude; He came to be a spiritual driver, not a medium for men to drive other men by.

“Permit Him” is the key. Yes, permit... God allows us to stop accepting His love if we heap our prides up high enough. But this is believing like a child believes, which is exactly what the Lord has commended.


7 posted on 10/19/2015 6:12:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: metmom

Or perhaps we could say that we are hiding at least some of our hunger with pride. We feed ourselves with the hog pods of religiosity.

That won’t move us to do anything past our comfort zone.


8 posted on 10/19/2015 6:17:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: metmom

**One cause of our moral weakness today is an inadequate Christology.**

Just as true today. Maybe more so.


9 posted on 10/19/2015 6:18:16 PM PDT by Gamecock (Preach the gospel daily, use words if necessary is like saying Feed the hungry use food if necessary)
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An extremely good Christology followed out of pride will also result in great weakness.

There really is no substitute for growing again after being born again. That means (gasp!) taking the concept of Heavenly Father at face value. This is not someone picking up the torch of the stunted love that was present in far too many families. This is something of quite a different character, and we’re often too full of pride to appreciate it without a lot of stumbles first.


10 posted on 10/19/2015 6:25:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I think you are sneaking in an “earn” part, and that is just bogus. The actual gospel promise is to hunger and thirst for righteousness and be filled. You don’t have to be Mr. Fatso in order to validly hunger.

I don't get what you're getting at.

An earn what part?

11 posted on 10/19/2015 6:39:26 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

**An extremely good Christology followed out of pride will also result in great weakness.**

And a poor Christology followed out of invincible ignorance leads to all manner of heresy/idolatry.


12 posted on 10/19/2015 6:50:59 PM PDT by Gamecock (Preach the gospel daily, use words if necessary is like saying Feed the hungry use food if necessary)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

i think without a biblical Christology it is entirely impossible to have a credible living Christ witness. If you do not understand who He was/is and what His message was/is, you cannot be like him. If you miss that His miracles were for authenticating his deity, you might be tempted to think His “good words” were no more than the good works of the Pharisees. Understanding that Scripture is the foundation for all of our belief is essential. Faith requires the right object or it is a false, doomed faith.

The Lordship of Christ is a most necessary concept. Many a false believer is formed through the promise that faith in Jesus as your Savior from the consequences of your sin will give you a heavenly eternity. But it leaves out repentance, that is, faith in the Lordship of Christ. Christ as your Savior is not offered without Christ as your Lord. He rules over the hearts of those who are His. Actually He rules even over those who are not His, but they do not acknowledge it — yet. In the end every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Jesus as Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

The problem with today’s “Christians” is that they have turned back to the way of the Pharisees — they practice a form of righteousness before men, of good works and religious rituals, but their hearts are far from God. They love the world. They love sin. They are lovers of themselves and lovers of religious deception. They have no love for Truth, purity, righteousness, etc. There is no pursuit of holiness because they despise and defame holiness. They do not love what God loves but rather what He hates. Christ is not their Lord. The praise of men is their Lord, therefore they go out even to extremes (like Mother Theresa), seeking to prove themselves worthy. But they embrace the lies of the Devil and prove themselves unworthy to God, only worthy to religious frauds who value the outward and not the inward.


13 posted on 10/19/2015 7:04:25 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Gamecock; metmom; PROCON

Spot on.


14 posted on 10/19/2015 7:12:23 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Sounds like a very charismatic and “legalistic” post.

Jesus was VERY SPECIFIC about the work that must be done to be saved. Are you suggesting we “stop sinning”?

Good luck with that! ;)


15 posted on 10/19/2015 7:17:19 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Beware of teachers that use the “pride” accusation as a weapon against biblical truth and obedience. The tender conscience can be led astray this way by being so hyper sensitive to his delight in discovered truth (which is not the sin of pride but rather a good thing) that he turns his focus on himself as “prideful” rather than keeping his focus on the truth itself, to love and understand it better.

Much deception is accomplished from these two tactics:

1. Redefine current terms
2. Redirect away from truth — a journey into error

Pray for understanding and give great consideration to what sources you trust. If even the early Christians were easily deceived by false teachers, surly we must beware of them, too.


16 posted on 10/19/2015 7:21:50 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Even more necessary than the “concept” is the attitude, and Jesus said it was not complicated. Believe as a child.

THEN, when as an “adult” you describe what has happened, you can recognize the Christology. But even then you need to realize it is love based and NOT pride based....


17 posted on 10/19/2015 7:23:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: metmom

 
Jesus, High Priest

18 posted on 10/19/2015 7:24:12 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Anything could be carried to the point of imbalance and evil; but I am not coming within a million light years of advocating a false humility. I am saying DO make a point of glory: the glory of God however and not the glory of human teachers.


19 posted on 10/19/2015 7:25:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: metmom
Even among those who acknowledge the deity of Christ there is often a failure to recognize His manhood. We are quick to assert that when He walked the earth He was God with men, but we overlook a truth equally as important, that where He sits now on His mediatorial throne He is Man with God.

This, right here, is IMO the great "scandal" of Christianity; THIS is the foolishness to gentiles and stumbling block to Jews. Christ crucified was Man crucified and GOD crucified. Man died. God DIED! How can this even be? We accept it by faith. We can read it in the Scriptures, use words to state the facts, but truly comprehending it is beyond human understanding.

20 posted on 10/19/2015 7:26:32 PM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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