Catholics And Lutherans Release ‘Declaration On The Way’ To Full Unity

United States Conference of "Catholic" Bishops ^ | 10/30/15 | USCCB

[LovedSinner]

I feel bad too, that Luther acted from a very bad case of scruples. Luther does not sound to me to be a really bad apple, like say Henry VIII. Luther did not behead his wife (Anne Boleyn) on made up charges which are so disgusting (adultery, incest).

So Luther never stuck me as someone who was evil. There are two things which I hated which he did. First Luther giving permission for Phillip of Hess to engage in bigamy and then ordering him to cover it up, and the second thing is Luther’s anti-Semitism, which was far worse than almost anyone at the time, and it was an anti-Semitic time.

And I am Catholic too.

[Mom MD]

The faithful Lutherans of the Missouri Synod would never join with the RC until the issues in the 95 thesis are fully addressed. Otherwise, I’m looking for a new church. It would be useless to both true Lutherans and Catholics alike to pretend that the issues that lead to the reformation were suddenly not so important after all....

[Mom MD]

Luther was a flawed individual. (as were all the apostles and great men of the faith) Thank God HE uses flawed vessels mightily.

[piusv]

Unfortunately, I think your "It will" post means that you think that things like what is going on in the OP are good and will result in unity. Never has the Catholic Church needed or wanted to do such things. In fact, it has historically condemned such actions.

You and Biggirl are products of the false ecumenism in Vatican II. You are so used to the post Vatican II ways that you don't even realize what you are saying or doing. Pope Pius XI warned us in Mortalium Animos:

And here it seems opportune to expound and to refute a certain false opinion, on which this whole question, as well as that complex movement by which non-Catholics seek to bring about the union of the Christian churches depends. For authors who favor this view are accustomed, times almost without number, to bring forward these words of Christ: "That they all may be one.... And there shall be one fold and one shepherd,"[14] with this signification however: that Christ Jesus merely expressed a desire and prayer, which still lacks its fulfillment.

[StoneWall Brigade]

Correct

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

The Lutherans aren’t a church. Only the Catholic Church and Orthodox Church are Churches (the Orthodox squeak in by merit of having a valid priesthood and sacraments).

[Biggirl]

Then what should we call our Christian Protestant brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus Christ?

[Tao Yin]

Then what should we call our Christian Protestant brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus Christ?

Saints

[Biggirl]

Thank-you and God Bless!

Friends, at a time when those who call themselves Christians in so many parts of the world are under attack, please let us not argue anymore, let us “love one another” as those called to holiness, to sainthood in the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen

[ebb tide]

Then what should we call our Christian Protestant brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus Christ?

Apostates

[cloudmountain]

I feel bad too, that Luther acted from a very bad case of scruples. Luther does not sound to me to be a really bad apple, like say Henry VIII. Luther did not behead his wife (Anne Boleyn) on made up charges which are so disgusting (adultery, incest).
So Luther never stuck me as someone who was evil. There are two things which I hated which he did. First Luther giving permission for Phillip of Hess to engage in bigamy and then ordering him to cover it up, and the second thing is Luther’s anti-Semitism, which was far worse than almost anyone at the time, and it was an anti-Semitic time.
And I am Catholic too.

I never knew about those things. I tend to agree with you though about anti-Semitism.
I think anti-Semitism was fairly wide spread but we only know what's been written by those who could write and that wasn't too many folks.

As I recall my history Jews weren't allowed to own land in Europe. So, many turned to banking and lending.
They were a "closed shop," as the saying goes and, without doubt, there were bad feelings from both sides about the other.

[Jacob Kell]

Look up Johann Eck. He was a staunch Catholic, opponent of Luther and the Reformation, and a anti-Semite himself. Maybe the main difference between them was Luther became more famous. Who knows?