“Who are we to judge?” Why this time is different. [Catholic Caucus]

non veni pacem ^ | Jun 30, 2016 | non veni pacem

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This is another game changer. HERE

“The problem is a person that has a condition, that has good will and who seeks God, who are we to judge? And we must accompany them well…this is what the catechism says, a clear catechism.”

Sounds a lot like three years ago, when Francis put an abrupt end to the +Ricca affair:

“A gay person who is seeking God, who is of good will – well, who am I to judge him? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well. It says one must not marginalize these persons, they must be integrated into society.”

Sounds almost identical, right? No new news?

Wrong.

First, with regard to the +Ricca scandal, the second quote above was in response to questions about +Ricca’s retaining his new appointment after his scandal broke HERE. We were dealing here with a single individual, credibly accused of grossly immoral acts. The inference from the pope’s comment was that +Ricca had repented and was now seeking to live chastely. That’s the only thing “who is of good will” could mean. (Right?)

This event was, at the time, the crowning achievement of the fledgling pontificate in the eyes of the secular world. It was used to promote all manner of misinformation about the pope changing Church teaching on homosexuality.”No he didn’t,” the Pollyannas cried, and of course they were right, but missing the point. Not only did he not (could not) change doctrine, but also the fact that he was speaking about an individual case, meant that he *might* not have intended the tidal wave it caused. He might have been speaking only about +Ricca. It wasn’t plausible, but it was possible.

Now, it sure would have been nice if there was a clarification issued by the Vatican after The Advocate named Francis person of the year. It would have been nice if there were clarifications, corrections, retractions, denials, etc on a whole host of other things in the past three years. But the fact remains, no one could then have claimed with moral certainty that the pope meant we should not judge all “gays” in general, despite them persisting in the “gay” lifestyle.

Now, that has changed. Now he is clearly talking about everyone with SSA, including those choosing to live the sinful lifestyle. Because we know through AL that Francis does not believe in objective sinfulness. Remember, he was responding to a question that was specifically referencing the Orlando terrorist attack.

Cindy Wooden, CNS: Holiness, within the past few days Cardinal Marx…said that the Catholic Church must ask forgiveness to the gay community for having marginalized these people. In the days following the shooting in Orlando, many have said that the Christian community had something to do with this hate toward these people. What do you think?

Pope Francis: I will repeat what I said on my first trip. I repeat what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says: that they must not be discriminated against, that they must be respected and accompanied pastorally…The problem is a person that has a condition, that has good will and who seeks God, who are we to judge?

There is much more to his response and I wrote another post on this if you want to see the whole thing. He’s taken the lead from Obama on the apology tour. The point here is, he is responding to a question which references a group of people who were actively engaged in, or actively pursuing, OBJECTIVE MORTAL SIN at the very moment of their demise.

First of all, you can’t “accompany” anyone when they’re DEAD. So a word or two about Islamic terror might have been nice. But we know that’s never going to happen, with Francis dueling Obama on the race to the left in that arena. If you go read the whole thing, you’ll see that Francis couldn’t resist blaming guns, too.

But beyond that, he has now clearly extended the mantle of mercy to unrepentant mortal sinners, as if God himself won’t judge them. It’s the same theme that runs through Chapter Eight of AL condoning fornication, adultery and cohabitation, so we know Francis totally owns that too, along with Abp. Kissy Kissy. All the enemies of Truth can point to this and say “LOOK… this proves we were right all along.” NO H8! LOVE WINS!

The sinner is blameless, there is no repentance required, go on sinning because the commandments are just lofty unattainable ideals, but above all be nice and use less air conditioning.

The Gospel according to Francis.

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"Pope Francis: I will repeat what I said on my first trip. I repeat what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says: that they must not be discriminated against, that they must be respected and accompanied pastorally…The problem is a person that has a condition, that has good will and who seeks God, who are we to judge?"

Consider the following from a related thread ...

Contrary to Pope Francis’ misguided political correctness to be nice to LGBT people, Matthew 18:15-17 shows us that Jesus taught that a congregation is ultimately supposed to treat unrepentant sinners like pagans and tax collectors.

In fact, note that in 1 Corinthians 5, Paul reflected on Jesus’ teaching about unrepentant sinners by reprimanding the Corinthian Christians for not expelling a sexual offender, verse 1 Corinthians 5:13 based on God’s command to “purge the evil from among you" as evidenced by Deuteronomy 19:19.

The misguided Pope also evidently doesn’t understand that 1 Corinthians 15:33 warns not to be misled, that “bad company corrupts good morals.”

The Pope is essentially telling Catholics to practice the Stockholm syndrome with respect to dealing with unrepentant sinners imo.

While Obama has proved that anybody can become President, Pope Francis is likewise proving that anybody can become Pope.

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The point here is, he is responding to a question which references a group of people who were actively engaged in, or actively pursuing, OBJECTIVE MORTAL SIN at the very moment of their demise.

A very important point indeed. The merciful thing (albeit not the most welcoming by the world) to do at this point would be to remind the world of Catholic teaching on homosexuality. No, instead those of us who do are told to apologize for being meanies.