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To: boatbums
The heretic, Luther, was baptized a Catholic, raised as a Catholic and ordained as as Catholic priest. He wrestled with the devil, and the devil won. Luther apostatized from the One, True, Faith.

Perversion of Scripture

10 posted on 03/25/2017 7:55:19 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

You are welcome to your own opinion.

IF you get to heaven, expect Martin Luther as a neighbor for eternity!


12 posted on 03/25/2017 8:11:46 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: ebb tide
BTW..I looked at your CFN link and the author does nothing more than spout the same drivel against Luther that I read MANY Catholics aping on these threads from time to time. Don't y'all ever do research to see if what you are being fed is true rather than jacked up diatribes based on out of context "quotes" and RC propaganda? The man has been dead for five hundred years! Get over it!

I do find it curious how you seem to hate your own Pope as much or more than you do Martin Luther. How do you square your condemnation of him - the leader of your own church to whom you are SUPPOSED to be in submission - with your criticism of Luther who actually DID something about the corruption within the Roman Catholic church?

17 posted on 03/25/2017 9:23:22 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: ebb tide

He wrestled with the devil, and the devil won.

He shouldn’t’a been jist fiddlin’ around!!

https://youtu.be/tnepPZChA5U?t=23


26 posted on 03/27/2017 5:02:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide; boatbums
The heretic, Luther, was baptized a Catholic, raised as a Catholic and ordained as as Catholic priest. He wrestled with the devil, and the devil won. Luther apostatized from the One, True, Faith.

Rather, it is the RC distinctives of this so-called One, True, Faith that are unseen in the NT church of Scripture , and contrary to it.

Moreover, your page on Luther is typical of the hit pages on Luther, which either employ bogus or questionable (such as "Table Talk" recollections) quotes or uses them out of context, and have no interest in understanding Luther's polemical style, which is often hyperbolic.

The main first reference in your referenced compilation is the misnamed, "The Facts About Luther," by dubious Roman Catholic author Msgr. Patrick O'Hare. Of which Researcher Jame's Swan, whose site is where you should search for such things, finds , "This old book had sunk into obscurity until it was revived by the Roman Catholic publisher Tan Books in 1987. In their zeal, some of Rome's 1990's early e-pologists put O'Hare's content on the Internet without checking his facts about Luther."

The next reference is Hartmann Grisar, "a Jesuit historian who used Freudian psychology to assess Luther as a pathological manic-depressive personality. Though as Swan goes on to state , "in my own use of Grisar, I have found him to be mostly reliable with his citations."

I have not determined if the hyperbolic quotes here are accurate, but the Mass is much an corruption of what we see in the NT church.

Your source goes on to reference De Wette for “We must remove the Decalogue out of sight and heart.” Swan's in his research finds:

This letter is not available in the English edition of Luther's Works. It has though been cited either in full or partially in a number of books. The letter itself has quite a polemical history, cited by numerous Roman Catholic sources, as well as even being cited by PBS.

And which is from a letter to a person who is afflicted, and from which is the quote taken out of context, which is that of battling with the devil when the accuser of the brethren is doing so. In response Luther even says "In a case like this the devil is overcome by scorning and despising him, not by opposing him and arguing with him." And in his typical hyperbolic language he even says he wishes he could commit "some brave sin" in order to illustrate the redemption one can have in Christ. And it is and in the context of counseling what to say to the devil when he charges you with sin based on the Law, that Luther says in response that we are to not look to the Law which condemns us, but to the Christ which redeems us:

We must put the whole law entirely out of our eyes and hearts,--we, I say, whom the devil thus assails and torments. Whenever the devil charges us with our sins and pronounces us guilty of death and hell, we ought to say to him: I admit that I deserve death and hell; what, then, will happen to me? Why, you will be eternally damned! By no means; for I know One who has suffered and made satisfaction for me. His name is Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Where He abides, there will I also abide." http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2016/02/luther-when-devil-comes-to-tempt-and.html

I am not defending all that Luther says, and he says many things that make us blush or reprove, including being too Catholic, but the Internet abounds with inaccurate or bogus assertions, and that Luther actually was an antinomianis one.

For as already recently shown you in response to another one of your postings of RC propaganda,

In his Introduction to Romans, Luther stated that saving faith is,

a living, creative, active and powerful thing, this faith. Faith cannot help doing good works constantly. It doesn’t stop to ask if good works ought to be done, but before anyone asks, it already has done them and continues to do them without ceasing. Anyone who does not do good works in this manner is an unbeliever...Thus, it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire! [http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/luther/luther-faith.txt]

This is what I have often said, if faith be true, it will break forth and bear fruit. If the tree is green and good, it will not cease to blossom forth in leaves and fruit. It does this by nature. I need not first command it and say: Look here, tree, bear apples. For if the tree is there and is good, the fruit will follow unbidden. If faith is present works must follow.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:340-341]

“We must therefore most certainly maintain that where there is no faith there also can be no good works; and conversely, that there is no faith where there are no good works. Therefore faith and good works should be so closely joined together that the essence of the entire Christian life consists in both.” [Martin Luther, as cited by Paul Althaus, The Theology of Martin Luther [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1963], 246, footnote 99]

All believers are like poor Lazarus; and every believer is a true Lazarus, for he is of the same faith, mind and will, as Lazarus. And whoever will not be a Lazarus, will surely have his portion with the rich glutton in the flames of hell. For we all must like Lazarus trust in God, surrender ourselves to him to work in us according to his own good pleasure, and be ready to serve all men.. And although we all do not suffer from such sores and poverty, yet the same mind and will must be in us, that were in Lazarus, cheerfully to bear such things, wherever God wills it.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:25]

“This is why St. Luke and St. James have so much to say about works, so that one says: Yes, I will now believe, and then he goes and fabricates for himself a fictitious delusion, which hovers only on the lips as the foam on the water. No, no; faith is a living and an essential thing, which makes a new creature of man, changes his spirit and wholly and completely converts him. It goes to the foundation and there accomplishes a renewal of the entire man; so, if I have previously seen a sinner, I now see in his changed conduct, manner and life, that he believes. So high and great a thing is faith.”[Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:341]

“For it is impossible for him who believes in Christ, as a just Savior, not to love and to do good. If, however, he does not do good nor love, it is sure that faith is not present. Therefore man knows by the fruits what kind of a tree it is, and it is proved by love and deed whether Christ is in him and he believes in Christ...” [Sermons of Martin Luther 1:40]

“For if your heart is in the state of faith that you know your God has revealed himself to you to be so good and merciful, without thy merit, and purely gratuitously, while you were still his enemy and a child of eternal wrath; if you believe this, you cannot refrain from showing yourself so to your neighbor; and do all out of love to God and for the welfare of your neighbor. Therefore, see to it that you make no distinction between friend and foe, the worthy and the unworthy; for you see that all who were here mentioned, have merited from us something different than that we should love and do them good. And the Lord also teaches this, when in Luke 6:35 he says: "But love your enemies, and do good unto them, and lend, never despairing; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be sons of the Most High: for he is kind toward the unthankful and evil." [Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:101]

...if obedience and God’s commandments do not dominate you, then the work is not right, but damnable, surely the devil’s own doings, although it were even so great a work as to raise the dead......Peter says the grace and gifts of God are not one but manifold, and each is to tend to his own, develop the same and through them be of service to others.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 1:244]

In addition, upon hearing that he was being charged with rejection of the Old Testament moral law, Luther responded,

And truly, I wonder exceedingly, how it came to be imputed to me, that I should reject the Law or ten Commandments, there being extant so many of my own expositions (and those of several sorts) upon the Commandments, which also are daily expounded, and used in our Churches, to say nothing of the Confession and Apology, and other books of ours. Martin Luther, ["A Treatise against Antinomians, written in an Epistolary way", http://www.truecovenanter.com/truelutheran/luther_against_the_antinomians.html]

31 posted on 03/27/2017 6:53:05 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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