Who knew? Pope can forbid foreigner from visiting Rome [Catholic Caucus]

Rorate Caeli ^ | April 18, 2017 | New Catholic; Tip: Edward Pentin

[ebb tide]

Who knew? Pope can forbid foreigner from visiting Rome

Ever since the Porta Pia fell, in 1870, and Rome became the capital of a newly united Italy, no Pope has ever again claimed the right to forbid anyone from coming to Rome. The city is not owned by the Pope, after all, and the temporal power of the papacy has, since 1929, been reduced to the very small limits of Vatican City and a few additional buildings in the region.

Alas, that was before Caudillismo had reached the City! If only John Paul II and Benedict XVI had known about this extra-muros absolute power of the Pope. El Caudillo Jorge knows better: who cares about law and rights, if he hates you, he can just order you out, muchacho!

It's what happened to the former head of the Knights of Malta, Fra Matthew Festing -- first forced by the Pope to resign, now ordered (!!!!!) not to come to Rome during the time of the Election of his own successor!

This is a violation of several laws under the guise of "obedience" -- these bullies must be taken to civil court. Only civil courts will stop this abuse and personal harrassment by Francis and his henchmen.

(Tip: Edward Pentin)

[MeganC]

As I read the letter it is a request and not an order. In any case I doubt that the Italian or Roman civil authoirities would give a rip about any actual orders from the Vatican.

[PapaBear3625]

When you actually read the letter, it looks like when the bishop said “Rome”, he really meant “do not come to the Vatican to attend the conference”.

[DesertRhino]

Not a word in that reminds me much of anything Jesus ever said or did. But it looks like a corporate attorney, a Pharisee, or some fat farting euro monarch would be right at home.

[ebb tide]

A request, with the specific stipulation of obedience, is an order.

[MeganC]

Ah, thank you for that. I get it now. (-:

[TnTnTn]

I thought the Vatican and the pope were ‘tear down that wall’ types?

[dp0622]

Dont worry.

There was never a chance of it being anything positive about the church.

ebb tide gets off on posting only negatives :)

But I’d like to keep that picture out of my head! :)

[Red Badger]

Just who does he think he is? Pope?................

[bgill]

That’s not very inclusive of him.

[ebb tide]

There was never a chance of it being anything positive about the church.

Do me favor: when there's something positive to post about francischurch, let me know. I'll gladly post it.

As for myself, I never post anything negative of the Catholic Church.

Dominus tecum.

[ebb tide]

Bergoglio warmly welcomes homosexual couples in the Vatican; yet he forbids the former Grand Master of the Knights of Malta from attending his successor's election?

[jospehm20]

This Pope Sucks

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

But they’re getting ready to tour Europe again;

http://www.foreigneronline.com/tour

[ebb tide]

Bergoglio has so far ignored a request from Raymond Cardinal Burke for a papal visit. Does he fear something?

And now he has instructed his “special delegate” to the Knights of Malta to order, via obedience, the former Grand Master of the Knights of Malta from attending the election of the next Grand Master.

There’s absolutely nothing that is “positive” in francischurch.

[BlessedBeGod]

According to Festing, Francis told him that it would be okay if the Order of Malta re-elected him as Grand Master.

I guess not, after all.

[SpirituTuo]

Priests and religious (at least most of them) have taken a vow obedience. Rightly or wrongly, this priest has been directed not to come for the election. For many, this is tough to swallow, but the vow should be remembered.

Obedience has been a hallmark of many saints, even when their superiors were treating them unjustly (St. Pius of Pietrelcina, St. Faustina, etc.). In all cases of saints being obedient, the right outcome was achieved, maybe if not in their time.

While challenging, the good Father would do well to obey, trusting in God, His will be done.

[ebb tide]

St Paul resisted St.Peter, the first Pope, to his face.

[SpirituTuo]

That is true, but I think this situation is a little different.

[ebb tide]

How so?

St. Peter wasn’t passing out condoms.